Understanding the Identity Element in Finite Abelian Groups

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The discussion revolves around understanding the identity element in finite abelian groups, specifically exploring the proof that the square of the product of all elements in such a group equals the identity element. The scope includes theoretical reasoning and self-study concepts in abstract algebra.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem of proving that (a1*a2*...*an)^2 = e for a finite abelian group G.
  • Another participant suggests that the product is squared to account for elements of order 2, implying that this consideration is necessary for the proof.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the terminology of elements of order 2, clarifying that they understand a group of order 2 as having two elements.
  • There is a discussion about squaring potentially eliminating negative signs, with a participant speculating that squaring could ensure the outcome is the identity element.
  • Another participant clarifies that an element could equal its own inverse, which could affect the proof if not considered.
  • A participant concludes that squaring the product ensures that any element equal to its own inverse will still yield the identity element.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of considering elements that may equal their own inverses, but the discussion includes varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the implications of squaring the product.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty regarding the terminology and concepts related to group elements and their orders, indicating a need for further clarification on these topics.

Ledger
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This is not homework. Self-study. And I'm really enjoying it. But, as I'm going through this book ("A Book of Abstract Algebra" by Charles C. Pinter) every so often I run into a problem or concept I don't understand.

Let G be a finite abelian group, say G = (e,a1, a2, a3,...,an).

Prove that (a1*a2*...an)^2 = e.

So, it has a finite number of elements and it's a group. So it's associative, has an identity element and an inverse as elements of G, and as it's abelian so it's also commutative. But I don't see how squaring the product of its elements leads to the identity element e.

Wait. Writing this has me thinking that each element might be being 'multiplied' by it's inverse yielding e for every pair, which when all mutiplied together still yields e, even when ultimately squared. Could that be the answer, even though I may not have stated it elegantly? There's no one I can ask so I brought it to this forum.
 
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Ledger said:
Wait. Writing this has me thinking that each element might be being 'multiplied' by it's inverse yielding e for every pair, which when all mutiplied together still yields e, even when ultimately squared. Could that be the answer, even though I may not have stated it elegantly? There's no one I can ask so I brought it to this forum.

You're on the right track. But the product is squared for a reason. What if your group has elements of order 2? This won't cause problems, but it's necessary to consider it.
 
'If the group has elements of order 2' I don't really understand that. The terminology in this book I understand (so far) is if the group is of order 2 that means it is a finite group with two elements.

Things are sometimes squared to get rid of a negative sign. But if the elements are numbers I would think that multiplying a negative number by its inverse (which would also be negative so the outcome is 1) would take care of that. But perhaps not so I'll go with squaring would knock a negative out of the final e. Is that it?
 
What spamiam means is that there might be an element a_i such that a_i=a_i^{-1}. In that case, your proof would not hold anymore. Indeed, its inverse does not occur in the list since it equals a_i.
 
So there could be an element of G that equals its own inverse. So squaring the product insures that this is reduced to e as well? Since they equal each other they should square to identity I think. Is this it?
 
Yes!
 
Thanks for your help!
 

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