Understanding the Integral Limitations and Conversions in Polar Coordinates

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of a double integral in the context of polar coordinates, specifically focusing on the region defined by the inequality 0 < x² + y² < a² and y > 0. Participants explore the implications of this inequality and the conversion to polar coordinates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for clarification on the meaning of the inequality 0 < x² + y² < a² and suggests converting to polar coordinates.
  • Another participant describes the region as a half disk centered at (0, 0) with radius a, above the x-axis, and agrees that polar coordinates would simplify the integral.
  • A participant questions how the condition y > 0 relates to the equation x² + y² = a², indicating a misunderstanding of the relationship between the two.
  • Some participants propose that using polar coordinates leads to an integral of r³ from 0 to a and cos²(θ) from 0 to π, resulting in a value of (πa⁴)/8, while expressing uncertainty about the correctness of this result.
  • There is a reiteration of the question regarding the relationship between y > 0 and x² + y² = a², with a participant clarifying that y > 0 only restricts the region of integration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the condition y > 0 and its relation to the equation x² + y² = a². There is no consensus on the correctness of the integral results derived in polar coordinates versus Cartesian coordinates.

Contextual Notes

Some participants struggle with the transition between coordinate systems and the implications of the region of integration, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of the mathematical concepts involved.

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Do the following integral: I= (double integral) dx dy x^2 with 0<x^2 + y^2<a^2 , y>0?
Could someone please give me some guidance as to what the inequality means? Should I convert to polar
coordinates so it gives me 0<r^2<a^2? Thank you.
 
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0&lt; x^2+ y^2&lt; a^2, y> 0 is the half disk with center at (0, 0), radius a, above the x-axis. Yes, I think polar coordinates would be simplest although it would not be that hard to do it in Cartesian coordinates. Since y> 0, x^2+ y^2= a^2 is the same as y= \sqrt{a^2- x^2} so the integral would be \int_{x= -a}^a \int_{y= 0}^{\sqrt{a^2- x^2}} x^2 dy dx. What would it be in polar coordinates?
 
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How does y >0 lead to x^2 + y^2 = a^2? Using polar coordinates the integral came to be (Sorry for lack of latex) integral of r^3 between 0 and a , times the integral of cos^2(theta) between 0 and pi. That came out to equal ((pi)a^4)/8. Does this sound right? Also could not seem to come to any answer using cartesian coordinates. thanks!
 
Freya said:
How does y >0 lead to x^2 + y^2 = a^2?
It doesn't lead to ##x^2 + y^2 = a^2##. It just limits the region of integration to the portion of the disk above the x-axis. .
Freya said:
Using polar coordinates the integral came to be (Sorry for lack of latex) integral of r^3 between 0 and a , times the integral of cos^2(theta) between 0 and pi. That came out to equal ((pi)a^4)/8. Does this sound right? Also could not seem to come to any answer using cartesian coordinates. thanks!
 

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