Understanding the Moon's Changing Angular Momentum and Its Impact on Eclipses

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between the Moon's angular momentum and the occurrence of eclipses. Participants explore the mechanics of angular momentum, the alignment of orbital planes, and the conditions necessary for eclipses to occur, touching on both theoretical and observational aspects.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if the Moon's angular momentum is proportional to the Earth's-Sun angular momentum, eclipses would occur more frequently, approximately every 28 days.
  • Another participant questions the necessity for the Moon's angular momentum to change over time and seeks clarification on the variables in the angular momentum formula (I and w).
  • Some participants clarify that the orbital planes of the Moon-Earth and Moon-Sun are not aligned, which limits the occurrence of eclipses to specific times of the year.
  • It is noted that while the Moon crosses the intersection points of the two orbital planes twice a month, total eclipses require the Moon to be full, making them infrequent.
  • One participant explains that eclipses can occur during full moons when the Moon is within 18 degrees of a node, and discusses the precession of the Moon's orbit due to the Sun's gravity, affecting the timing of eclipse seasons.
  • Details are provided about the frequency of eclipse seasons and how they can lead to multiple eclipses within a calendar year, including partial eclipses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between angular momentum and eclipse frequency, with some agreeing on the mechanics of orbital alignment while others challenge the assumptions about the Moon's momentum changes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of angular momentum on eclipse occurrences.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the complexities of the Moon's orbit, including the effects of gravitational forces and the definitions of orbital nodes, without reaching a consensus on the implications for angular momentum and eclipse frequency.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying celestial mechanics, astronomy, or anyone curious about the dynamics of lunar eclipses and the factors influencing their occurrence.

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I know that the angular momentum of the moon with respect to the Earth can be calculated by L = Iw but if the L of the moon is k * Learth-sun the there will be way more eclipses, one of each every 28 days. So the momentum of the moon must change over time, how does it work?
 
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Why does it have to change? And what is I and what is w in that formula?
 
How are eclipses related to the angular momentum of the moon?
Universh13 said:
So the momentum of the moon must change over time
No.
The orbital planes moon/earth and moon/sun are not aligned, only twice per year they cross at the right place to give eclipses.
 
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mfb said:
The orbital planes moon/earth and moon/sun are not aligned, only twice per year they cross at the right place to give eclipses.

Ok, now I get it, so there are two points every 28 days that are the same for both planes and 2 per year in which those points are aligned forming eclipses. Thank you
 
Well, the orbital planes cross all the time.
The moon will go through the intersection points of the two orbits twice per month but to have a total eclipse the moon has to be full too. So it happens not so often.
It happens twice a year for many years but not as a rule. There will be only one (total) in 2019 and none in 2020. There will be some sort of events, though. Like partial or penumbral eclipses.
 
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Universh13 said:
Ok, now I get it, so there are two points every 28 days that are the same for both planes and 2 per year in which those points are aligned forming eclipses. Thank you

In any given calendar year there will be at least 2 eclipse events (including partial eclipses) and as many as 5.

Eclipses happen during full moons, which are 29.53 days apart, and when the Moon is within 18 degrees of a node( the point where the the orbital planes cross). Now if the planes of the two orbits kept the same orientation, then the Moon would cross a node every 13.66 days ( 1/2 of 27.32 days, which is the sidereal month or the time it takes the Moon to complete one orbit with respect to the stars). But they Don't. Due to the effect of the Sun's gravity on the Moon, the Moon's orbit precesses, and "wobbles" with respect to the Earth's orbital plane. As a result, the nodes slowly shift and the time it takes for the Moon to travel from one node and back to it again (the Draconic month) is 27.21 days.

The end result is that every 173.3 days we enter an eclipse season, where the we have a new moon and the Moon is within 18 degree of an node. What this means is if you have a partial eclipse at the start of an eclipse season, the next new moon can occur before the end of the eclipse season and you can have partial eclipses in consecutive months.
In addition, 173.3 days is ~9 days less than 1/2 a year. This means that it if a calendar year starts with an eclipse season, the next eclipse season will start ~9 days before the midpoint of the year, and you will start a third eclipse season ~18 days before the end of the year. So, it is possible to have two partial eclipses each in the first two eclipse seasons, and have a fifth eclipse occur during the first part of the third eclipse season resulting in 5 eclipses in one year.
 
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