Understanding the Orientation of Light Waves: Electro vs. Magnetic Aspects"

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The discussion revolves around the orientation of the electric and magnetic fields in electromagnetic radiation, specifically questioning whether the magnetic aspect is oriented clockwise or anti-clockwise relative to the electric aspect. Participants explore theoretical and practical implications of this orientation in various contexts, including optics and electromagnetic theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the magnetic field is oriented 90 degrees anti-clockwise from the electric field when the radiation is traveling towards the observer.
  • Another participant questions the basis for this claim and seeks additional information or references to support it.
  • A participant mentions that the orientation is a consequence of Maxwell's Equations but admits to not knowing how to derive it, referencing a textbook for further information.
  • There is a discussion about the orientation of magnetic fields produced by electric currents, with a hypothesis regarding antimatter and anti-electrons potentially producing a clockwise magnetic aspect.
  • One participant expresses surprise at the idea that photons have the same magnetic aspect as electrons, seeking experimental evidence for the orientation of the fields.
  • Another participant acknowledges a lack of detailed understanding and suggests that there may be experimental data on the orientation of electric and magnetic fields in electromagnetic waves, though they are not specifically aware of it.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the orientation of the magnetic aspect relative to the electric aspect, and multiple views and uncertainties remain regarding the theoretical and experimental basis for these orientations.

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Limitations include a lack of detailed derivations or experimental evidence cited by participants, as well as varying levels of familiarity with the underlying physics concepts.

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Electromagnetic radiation has a magnetic aspect at 90 degrees to the electro aspect of the radiation.

We see light, experience heat, use radio, x-rays, microwaves, etc.

Can someone please help me with this question about the above:

- Which way is the magnetic aspect orientated to the electro aspect? Clockwise or anti-clockwise?
 
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If the radiation is traveling towards you, the magnetic field is 90 degrees anti-clockwise from the electric field.
 
Thanks Redbelly. How do you know that though? Is there some info on this?
 
Ultimately, it's a consequence of Maxwell's Equations, though I myself don't know how to derive it. I just looked it up in a textbook from when I took a class in optics; the book is "Optics" by Hecht & Zajac, though I think newer editions just list Hecht as author.

Also found this on the web:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation#Properties
http://www.phy.ntnu.edu.tw/ntnujava/index.php?topic=35

This might lead you to more info:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...ctric+propagation&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
 
Thanks again RedBelly. You couldn't transcribe the paragraphs from your textbook that mention which direction the magnetic aspect is to the electro aspect? If it mentions why that would be great too. I looked at the sites you gave but I couldn't really find this specific info.

I know that an electric current through a wire produces an anticlockwise magnetic aspect to the direction the current flows. I presume that a current of anti-electrons through an antimatter wire would produce a clockwise magnetic aspect to the direction of current flow.

Photons in our matter world tend to interact with electrons rather than the protons.
As opposites attract I would have expected photons to have an opposite magnetic aspect to electrons; not the same.

So when you said they were the same I was surprised. This is why I really need to know if there is some experimental evidence of the orientation.
 
Well, to be honest I just looked at the figure in the book, and didn't follow the derivation. It has been more than 20 years since I had the class.

While I would imagine there is experimental data on the relative orientation of E and B in electromagnetic waves, I am not specifically aware of what that data is.
 
Thanks for trying to help Redbelly. Hopefully someone else might know?
 

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