Understanding the Parameters of SU(4) and SU(2)

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the parameters of the special unitary groups SU(4) and SU(2), highlighting that SU(4) has 15 parameters while SU(2) has 3. The parameters are defined within specific ranges, with SU(4) parameters divided into five ranges and SU(2) into two. The conversation emphasizes the linear independence of the basis vectors in the Lie algebras associated with these groups, specifically mentioning the Pauli matrices for SU(2) and the Gell-Mann matrices for SU(3). The participants seek clarification on the characteristics of these parameters and their implications in calculations.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Lie groups and Lie algebras
  • Familiarity with special unitary groups, specifically SU(2) and SU(4)
  • Knowledge of rotation matrices and their parameters
  • Basic concepts of complex matrices and determinants
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the structure and properties of SU(4) and SU(2) groups
  • Learn about the role of parameters in Lie algebras, focusing on the Gell-Mann and Pauli matrices
  • Explore the geometric interpretations of transformations in SU(n) groups
  • Investigate the implications of selecting specific parameters in group calculations
USEFUL FOR

Mathematicians, physicists, and students studying quantum mechanics or advanced algebra who are interested in the properties and applications of special unitary groups.

munirah
Messages
28
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


Good day,

From my reading, SU(4) have 15 parameter and SU(2) has 3 parameter that range differently with certain parameter(rotation angle). And all the parameter is linearly independent to each other.

My question are: 1. What the characteristic of each of the parameter? 2. If I choose two of them, what is the reason behind the theory?

Can anyone explain to me or suggest any book/paper to me to understand the parameter itself.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
munirah said:

Homework Statement


Good day,

From my reading, SU(4) have 15 parameter and SU(2) has 3 parameter that range differently with certain parameter(rotation angle). And all the parameter is linearly independent to each other.

My question are: 1. What the characteristic of each of the parameter? 2. If I choose two of them, what is the reason behind the theory?

Can anyone explain to me or suggest any book/paper to me to understand the parameter itself.
What you call parameter are either parameters in generators of the groups ##SU(4)## or ##SU(2)##, as an angle of a rotation would be, or the basis vectors in their tangent spaces ##\mathfrak{su}(4) \, , \, \mathfrak{su}(2)## resp., which define the dimensions, and your wording about linearity suggests. You could also mean a parametrized curve on the manifold ##SU(n)## where we may calculate, e.g. tangents at.
So it's not really clear to me what exactly you are referring to, even though all these are related.

##15## and ##3## are the dimensions of these groups over the real numbers, the dimensions of their tangent spaces.
Linear independency only makes sense on linear structures, which the groups are not. There is no ##0## in sight! (And a rotation of an angle of 0° doesn't count, as it is the identity transformation, i.e. ##1##.) So the term can only be applied to their Lie algebras, their tangent spaces. As basis vectors they are linearly independent. E.g. the three Pauli-matrices build a basis of ##\mathfrak{su}(2)##, the eight Gell-Mann matrices build a basis of ##\mathfrak{su}(3)## and I don't know whether there is a named basis for ##\mathfrak{su}(4)##.

In general the ##SU(n)## are transformation groups, i.e. groups of transformations, that act on ##\mathbb{C}^n##.
If one group element acts as a rotation, then the rotation angle is a parameter in the sense that two different angles are two different transformations, although both are still rotations. You could also have different rotation axis with the same angle. So basically we are talking about geometric properties here.

I don't understand the second of your questions. Maybe you could give an example.
 
  • Like
Likes munirah
Thank you so much for reply.

From the parameter below

SU(4), it has 15 parameter
1. 0 ≤ α1,α7,α11 ≤ π
2. 0 ≤ α3,α5,α9,α13 ≤ 2π
3. 0 ≤ α2,α4,α6,α8,α10,α12 ≤ π/2
4. 0 ≤ α14 ≤ √3 π
5. 0 ≤ α15 ≤ 2π √(2/3)

and SU(2)
1. 0 ≤ β1,β3 ≤ π
2. 0 ≤β2≤ π/2

What I mean, in SU(4), the parameter is divided into 5 range and in SU(2) in two range respectively to the parameter. MY questions are:
1.Is it 5 range in SU(4) and 2 range in SU(2) can said a group?
2. Why the parameter is determined like that?.
3. If I that for example α2 and α1 to my calculation, what it mean actually? What happen to other?
4. Is there any rule to me take the parameter or I can simply take it ? And why I can select the certain parameter?
 
##SU(4)## are complex ##(4 \times 4)-##matrices which satisfy a certain condition, namely ##U^\dagger U=1## and ##\det(U)=1##.
How are the ##\alpha_i## defined? Likewise for ##SU(2)##. I suppose, if you write down matrices that contain the ##\alpha_i##, they will generate the group. But I'm not sure.

If you look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_unitary_group#n_.3D_2, there are other parameters. How do yours fit in?
 
  • Like
Likes munirah
thank you. I understand about that but still don't get what happen if I only consider only certain parameter.It is will effect other or not?
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
10K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
4K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K