Understanding the Pitfalls of Integral Substitution: A Scientific Analysis

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The discussion revolves around the pitfalls of integral substitution in calculus, specifically focusing on the substitution of variables in definite integrals. Participants explore the implications of their substitutions and the correctness of their limits of integration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a substitution where ##x' = 1/u'## and derives an integral that leads to a fallacy in the limits of integration.
  • Another participant points out the potential confusion caused by using primes on variables and suggests that using the same variable for limits and as a dummy variable is poor practice.
  • A third participant simplifies the example and finds no contradiction in their approach, suggesting that the integration can be done without substitution and yields the same result.
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake in setting up the limits of integration after receiving feedback.

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Participants express differing views on the correctness of the substitution and the limits of integration. There is no consensus reached, as some participants identify errors while others propose alternative methods that appear to resolve the issue.

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Limitations include the potential confusion arising from variable notation and the unresolved nature of the substitution's correctness. The discussion highlights the importance of careful setup in integral calculus.

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Let ##x'=1/u' \Rightarrow dx' = \frac{-1}{u'^2} du'##. Then the integral ##\int_{x_0}^{x} x' dx'## turns into ##\int_{1/u_0}^{1/u} \frac{-1}{u'^3} du'##.

Here comes the fallacy: ##\int_{1/u_0}^{1/u} \frac{-1}{u'^3} du' = [\frac{1}{2} \frac{1}{u'^2}]_{1/u_0}^{1/u} = \frac{1}{2} (u^2-u_0^2)##. Here I just substituted ##1/u## and ##1/u_0## into ##u'##, and I end up with getting something that is obviously wrong since ##\frac{1}{2} (u^2-u_0^2) = \frac{1}{2}(1/x^2 - 1/x_0^2) \neq \frac{1}{2}(x^2-x_0^2) ##.

But why is that substitution incorrect? Or perhaps I set the limits wrong? Please help!
 
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Wminus said:
Let ##x'=1/u' \Rightarrow dx' = \frac{-1}{u'^2} du'##. Then the integral ##\int_{x_0}^{x} x' dx'## turns into ##\int_{1/u_0}^{1/u} \frac{-1}{u'^3} du'##.
Two things:
1. It's very confusing to see the primes on your variables. I don't think x' denotes the derivative in your example. I could be mistaken, but if I'm not, using x' instead of x adds needless confusion.
2. It's bad practice to use the same variable for a limit of integration and as the dummy variable for integration.
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Here comes the fallacy: ##\int_{1/u_0}^{1/u} \frac{-1}{u'^3} du' = [\frac{1}{2} \frac{1}{u'^2}]_{1/u_0}^{1/u} = \frac{1}{2} (u^2-u_0^2)##. Here I just substituted ##1/u## and ##1/u_0## into ##u'##, and I end up with getting something that is obviously wrong since ##\frac{1}{2} (u^2-u_0^2) = \frac{1}{2}(1/x^2 - 1/x_0^2) \neq \frac{1}{2}(x^2-x_0^2) ##.

But why is that substitution incorrect? Or perhaps I set the limits wrong? Please help!

If I simplify your example, I get no contradiction.
Let x = 1/u, so dx = -du/u2

Also, if x = a, then u = 1/a, and if x = b, then u = 1/b.
Then ##\int_a^b x dx = -\int_{1/a}^{1/b} (1/u)(1/u^2)du##
##= -\int_{1/a}^{1/b} u^{-3}du = + (1/2) \left. u^{-2} \right|_{1/a}^{1/b} = (1/2) (b^2 - a^2)##

If you do the integration with no substitution, you get
##\int_a^b x dx = \left. (1/2) x^2 \right|_a^b = (1/2) (b^2 - a^2)##
 
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Using u'= 1/x' leads to a u' integral with limits 1/x and 1/x_0.
 
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aah, that's right. I screwed up while setting up the limits. Thank you :)
 

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