Understanding the Role of Oestrogen in FSH and LH Regulation

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The discussion revolves around the role of oestrogen in the regulation of FSH (Follicle-Stimulating Hormone) and LH (Luteinizing Hormone) within the context of the estrous and menstrual cycles. Participants explore the complexities of hormonal feedback mechanisms, particularly how low levels of oestrogen can inhibit FSH and LH while also questioning the conditions under which follicles mature.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that low concentrations of oestrogen inhibit FSH and LH, raising questions about how follicles can mature if FSH is inhibited.
  • Others argue that the negative feedback from oestrogen does not completely shut down hormone secretion but alters the pattern of secretion, which is crucial for follicle maturation.
  • A participant highlights that estrogens typically exert negative feedback effects on LH and FSH during most of the estrous and menstrual cycles, but the secretion occurs in pulses.
  • There is a discussion about the complexity of hormonal interactions, including how the amplitude and frequency of hormone pulses affect ovarian response.
  • Some participants express confusion over the characterization of oestrogen as both an inhibitor of FSH and a stimulator of LH, questioning the clarity of this description given the dual effects on both hormones.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the mechanisms of oestrogen's effects on FSH and LH, with multiple competing views and ongoing questions about the underlying processes and terminology used to describe these interactions.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the feedback mechanisms are complex and that the terminology used in textbooks may oversimplify these interactions, leading to confusion. The discussion reflects a need for clarity regarding the patterns of hormone secretion rather than absolute levels.

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It seems (from the book and several websites) that initially, at low conc. oestrogen inhibits FSH and LH. As the follicle matures and oestrogen levels rise FSH and LH are stimulated.

My questions are
1) If low levels of oestrogen inhibit FSH (and LH) how can the follicles mature (they are matured by FSH)

2) Why do we say oestrogen inhibits FSH and stimulates LH if it inhibits and stimulates BOTH pituitary hormones?

Thanks
 
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*I have edited the question so they are more precise
 
The problem is that most textbooks oversimplify this topic to the point of being flat out wrong or very confusing.

Estrogens (that's a plural word) normally have negative feedback effects on LH and FSH during most of the estrous cycle (most non-human mammals) and the menstrual cycle (humans and a few non-human primates). So do progestins. However, LH and FSH (along with GnRH that is the hypothalamic neurohormone that regulates LH and FSH) are not just continually secreted. They are secreted in pulses (think "bursts" of secretory activity). And, inhibition by the sex steroids doesn't just suppress overall secretion, but actually alters the pulse pattern. Estrogens suppress LH pulse amplitude, but don't alter frequency (we won't discuss seasonally breeding animals here, because then even this statement needs qualifiers).. Progestins suppress pulse frequency. FSH pulses are a little messier to deal with.

The pattern is what determines how the ovary responds. In the predominantly estrogenic environment of the follicular phase, fast, low amplitude FSH and LH pulses tell the follicles to keep growing. When they get closer to ovulation, there is a short term switch to a positive feedback mechanism. I can't answer why...that's the million dollar question in research in reproductive endocrinology. We know a lot about ways to make it happen, but not fundamentally why. Anyway, that switch happens as the one dominant follicle gets very large and secretes heaploads of estrogens, and that in turn increases instead of decreases GnRH, LH and FSH secretion to the point where we can no longer detect individual pulses, but one big, massive, sustained secretory event that we call a surge. This triggers ovulation. Ovulation is the limiting step that keeps this positive feedback loop from getting out of control...ruptured follicle and no more follicular fluid producing estrogen. The remaining follicle cells undergo a conversion process and become the corpus luteum, which produces progesterone and some estrogens. Now LH and FSH are secreted in very slow pulses during the luteal phase, which doesn't stimulate any more follicle growth and instead allows the corpus luteum to function and produce more progesterone, which helps prep the uterus for implantation if pregnancy occurs. Not all species have luteal phases. Many rodents, for example, only form a functioning corpus luteum if pregnancy occurs and quickly prepare to ovulate again if they don't get pregnant (they have only 4-5 day estrous cycles).
 
Moonbear said:
Estrogens (that's a plural word) normally have negative feedback effects on LH and FSH during most of the estrous cycle (most non-human mammals) and the menstrual cycle (humans and a few non-human primates).

So how can the follicle mature if FSH is being inhibited?
 
jsmith613 said:
So how can the follicle mature if FSH is being inhibited?

That was the entire context of my post! It's under negative feedback control, that doesn't mean it's totally shut down, just a different PATTERN of secretion. The pattern is what matters, not the absolute amount. Negative feedback, as a general term, is about maintaining a set point, not about shutting down completely.
 
Moonbear said:
That was the entire context of my post! It's under negative feedback control, that doesn't mean it's totally shut down, just a different PATTERN of secretion. The pattern is what matters, not the absolute amount. Negative feedback, as a general term, is about maintaining a set point, not about shutting down completely.

oh of course
but another question:
why do we say oestrogen inhibits FSH and stimulates LH if it does both to both hormones?
 

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