Understanding the stress-energy tensor

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The discussion revolves around the stress-energy tensor, specifically the interpretation of its components, such as T^(12), which represents the flux of the x-component of momentum in the y-direction. Participants explore the implications of this concept in various contexts, including shear stress and electromagnetic waves.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion regarding the meaning of the x-component of momentum flowing in the y-direction, questioning the nature of momentum as a vector.
  • Others clarify that this scenario represents shear stress, where a force in the x-direction acts on a face normal to the y-direction.
  • A participant relates the concept to electromagnetic waves, suggesting that the stress due to an electromagnetic field can be described by the Maxwell stress tensor.
  • Further elaboration includes a detailed explanation of calculating momentum flux through a membrane, involving average momentum, particle density, and velocity components.
  • Participants discuss both nonrelativistic and relativistic formulations of the stress-energy tensor, highlighting differences in how momentum and energy densities are treated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the interpretation of the stress-energy tensor components, as participants present differing views and clarifications without resolving the underlying confusion.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of momentum and stress, as well as the complexity of transitioning between nonrelativistic and relativistic frameworks.

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This discussion may be useful for students and professionals interested in theoretical physics, particularly those studying the stress-energy tensor and its applications in various physical contexts.

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I have trouble understanding some terms in the stress-energy-tensor. For instance T^(12) stands for the flux of the x-component of momentum in the y-direction. But what does it means for the x-component of momentum to flow in the y direction? Since momentum is a vector should't the x-component always point in the x-direction?
 
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Higgsono said:
But what does it means for the x-component of momentum to flow in the y direction? Since momentum is a vector should't the x-component always point in the x-direction?
This is a shear stress. In a shear stress you have a force in the x direction on a face which is normal to the y direction. The x component of the force does always point in the x direction, but it can cross a face which is normal to the y direction.
 
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Dale said:
This is a shear stress. In a shear stress you have a force in the x direction on a face which is normal to the y direction. The x component of the force does always point in the x direction, but it can cross a face which is normal to the y direction.

So what does this mean for say an electromagnetic wave propagating through vacuum or a medium?
 
Higgsono said:
I have trouble understanding some terms in the stress-energy-tensor. For instance T^(12) stands for the flux of the x-component of momentum in the y-direction. But what does it means for the x-component of momentum to flow in the y direction? Since momentum is a vector should't the x-component always point in the x-direction?

In 3 dimensions, imagine that you have lots of particles moving around. You want to compute the flux of y-momentum in the x-direction. The way you do it is to consider a membrane that is set up parallel to the y-z plane, as shown in the figure. Let ##\Delta \overrightarrow{P}## be the momentum that passes through the membrane from left to right during a small time interval ##\Delta t##. The momentum flux in the x-direction will then be: ##\frac{\Delta \overrightarrow{P}}{A \Delta t}## (change in momentum per unit area per unit time).

So how do we calculate ##\Delta \overrightarrow{P}##? Well, in the simplest case, the particles are non-interacting. So the amount of momentum passing through the membrane is just the average momentum of each particle that passes through times the number of particles.

So we have: ##\Delta \overrightarrow{P} = \overrightarrow{P}_{av} \Delta N##

The number of particles that pass through the membrane during time ##\Delta t## is just:

##\Delta N = \rho V^x_{av} A \Delta t##

It's proportional to the area of the membrane, ##A##, the average velocity in the direction perpendicular to the membrane, ##(V^x)_{av}## and the number of particles per unit volume, ##\rho##, and the time ##\Delta t##. So putting it all together:

##\frac{\Delta \overrightarrow{P}}{A \Delta t} = \frac{\overrightarrow{P}_{av} \rho V^x_{av} A \Delta t}{A \delta t} = \overrightarrow{P}_{av} \rho V^x_{av}##

The flux of y-momentum in the x-direction would then be:

##P^y_{av} V^x_{av} \rho##

Nonrelativistically, ##P^y = m V^y##, so you have:

##T^{yx} = V^y_{av} V^x_{av} \rho_{m}## (where ##\rho_m## is ##m \rho##, the mass density, rather than the number density).

Relativistically, ##P^y = E/c^2 V^y## (where ##E## is the relativistic energy), so you have:

##T^{yx} = V^y_{av} V^x_{av} \rho_{E}/c^2## (where ##\rho_E## is ##E \rho##, the energy density, rather than the number density).
 
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stevendaryl said:
In 3 dimensions, imagine that you have lots of particles moving around. You want to compute the flux of y-momentum in the x-direction. The way you do it is to consider a membrane that is set up parallel to the y-z plane, as shown in the figure. Let ##\Delta \overrightarrow{P}## be the momentum that passes through the membrane from left to right during a small time interval ##\Delta t##. The momentum flux in the x-direction will then be: ##\frac{\Delta \overrightarrow{P}}{A \Delta t}## (change in momentum per unit area per unit time).

So how do we calculate ##\Delta \overrightarrow{P}##? Well, in the simplest case, the particles are non-interacting. So the amount of momentum passing through the membrane is just the average momentum of each particle that passes through times the number of particles.

So we have: ##\Delta \overrightarrow{P} = \overrightarrow{P}_{av} \Delta N##

The number of particles that pass through the membrane during time ##\Delta t## is just:

##\Delta N = \rho V^x_{av} A \Delta t##

It's proportional to the area of the membrane, ##A##, the average velocity in the direction perpendicular to the membrane, ##(V^x)_{av}## and the number of particles per unit volume, ##\rho##, and the time ##\Delta t##. So putting it all together:

##\frac{\Delta \overrightarrow{P}}{A \Delta t} = \frac{\overrightarrow{P}_{av} \rho V^x_{av} A \Delta t}{A \delta t} = \overrightarrow{P}_{av} \rho V^x_{av}##

The flux of y-momentum in the x-direction would then be:

##P^y_{av} V^x_{av} \rho##

Nonrelativistically, ##P^y = m V^y##, so you have:

##T^{yx} = V^y_{av} V^x_{av} \rho_{m}## (where ##\rho_m## is ##m \rho##, the mass density, rather than the number density).

Relativistically, ##P^y = E/c^2 V^y## (where ##E## is the relativistic energy), so you have:

##T^{yx} = V^y_{av} V^x_{av} \rho_{E}/c^2## (where ##\rho_E## is ##E \rho##, the energy density, rather than the number density).

Thanks, I think it made it clearer.
 

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