Understanding the Transition Functions for S^1 Using Atlas Charts

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The discussion revolves around the transition functions for the circle S1 using atlas charts. Participants explore the derivation of transition functions from given charts, the implications of using multiple patches, and the relationship between coordinates on a manifold and those in Euclidean space.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about deriving the transition function from the charts for S1 and questions the nature of the transition function.
  • Another participant explains that the transition function is defined on the intersection of the domains of the two charts, noting that the intersection consists of two open half-circles and describes the transition functions as identity and functions that add or subtract 2π.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the necessity of adding or subtracting 2π in the transition functions.
  • Another participant clarifies that coordinates are not on the manifold itself but rather in the Euclidean image spaces of the charts, emphasizing the importance of identifying the chart when discussing coordinates.
  • There is a suggestion to explore the concepts of covering space and covering map to better understand the relationship between S1 and ℝ1.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions and roles of coordinates and transition functions, but there remains some confusion and lack of consensus regarding the necessity of adding or subtracting 2π in the transition functions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the definitions and relationships between different mathematical objects, as well as the potential for confusion when transitioning between coordinate systems and manifold representations.

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I am confused about the procedure for finding the transition functions given an atlas. I understand the theory; it's applying it to real life examples where I have my problem. So for example, take S1 (the circle). I want to use 2 charts given by:

U1 = {α: 0 < α < 2π} φ1 = (cos α, sin α)
U2 = {β: -π < β < π} φ2 = (cos β, sin β)

Now I want to derive the transition function which is where I'm stuck. I know that α = arctan(y/x) and that β = arctan(y/x) which to me implies (and rightly so I think) that α = β on the overlap. My question is what is the transition function?

Another question I have is how are things improved using these 2 patches over 1 patch (which I know fails due to continuity of φ-1)?

Thanks in advance for any insight!
 
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The transition function is defined on the intersection of the domains of the two functions. Since each domain is missing one point from the circle, and the missing points are antipodal to one another, the intersection is the two open half-circles one gets when one removes the points (1,0) and (-1,0) from the unit circle in the Cartesian plane.

The transition functions and their inverses will be the identity function ##\theta\mapsto \theta## on the upper half circle.
On the lower half circle it will be a function that adds 2 pi, with its inverse subtracting 2 pi.
 
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Thank you. I'm still a little confused as to why subtracting or adding 2π is necessary.

I have another question because this is what really confuses me.

Given a manifold M and a homeomorphism φ: U → V with U ⊂ M and V ⊂ ℝn. In the example above, which coordinates (x,y) or α "live" on the manifold and which "live" in ℝn? I'm pretty sure that the (x,y) live in ℝ2 but I just want to hear it.

This is important because φ o φ-1 takes V1→V2 and should only be functions of those coordinates.

Thanks again for your help!.
 
You are correct. Strictly speaking, there are no coordinates on the manifold. The coordinates are for points in the Euclidean image spaces of the charts. When we say 'the point in M with coordinates (x,y)' what we mean is 'the point p such that ##\phi(p)=(x,y)##. Hence the expression is meaningless unless a chart ##\phi## has been unambiguously identified, either explicitly or implicitly.

To understand the addition or subtraction of 2 pi, and to more generally understand the relationship of ##S^1## to ##\mathbb R^1##, the concept of 'covering space' and 'covering map' are helpful. The wiki page on them is quite good. It specifically lists the case you are working on as an example (third bullet point).
 
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