Understanding the Use of Sin and Cos Formulas in Simple Harmonic Motion

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The discussion revolves around the application of sine and cosine formulas in the context of simple harmonic motion. Participants are exploring when to use each formula for displacement, particularly in relation to initial conditions and boundary conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster questions the relevance of each formula and seeks clarity on when to use them. Some participants discuss the dependency of the choice of formula on the initial conditions of the motion, such as starting displacement and velocity.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in the discussion, with some providing insights into the relationship between initial conditions and the choice of formula. There is an exploration of different representations of displacement, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the application of the formulas and the lack of guidance in their learning materials regarding when to use sine versus cosine. The original poster's urgency due to an upcoming test adds to the context of their inquiries.

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H, I missed the class so may be asking something really dumb her but have got a test today and want to do well so here goes:

in what cases should you use either of these formulas? (we have been told to remember them but not told when either is more relavent that the other, and my book doesn't say either):

s = A cos 2 pi ft

s = A sin 2 pi ft

Again sorry if I am asking a rediculous question, but better to be safe than sorry. Also thanks in advance for any help given.
 
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smileandbehappy said:
H, I missed the class so may be asking something really dumb her but have got a test today and want to do well so here goes:

in what cases should you use either of these formulas? (we have been told to remember them but not told when either is more relavent that the other, and my book doesn't say either):

s = A cos 2 pi ft

s = A sin 2 pi ft

Again sorry if I am asking a rediculous question, but better to be safe than sorry. Also thanks in advance for any help given.
What do you want s to be when t = 0?
 
Would that not depend on which one of the equations you used? But how do you know which equation to use? If I get a question asking me to find the displacement will I just have to guess which equation to use?
 
smileandbehappy said:
Would that not depend on which one of the equations you used? But how do you know which equation to use? If I get a question asking me to find the displacement will I just have to guess which equation to use?
Either equation can be chosen to represent the displacement. It depends on what you choose to call the displacement at time zero. If you start an oscillator at maximum displacement at time zero, you would use cosine. If you start it with no displacement and some intial velocity you would use sine for the displacement; velocity would then be a cosine.

The most general representation is a mix of the two, corresponding to an initial displacement with an initial velocity.

s = A sin 2 pi ft + B cos 2 pi ft

with

v = 2 pi f (A cos 2 pi ft - B sin 2 pi ft)

where A and B must be chosen to satisfy the initial displacement and velocity situation. In mathematics, this is referred to as the boundary conditions.

It can be shown that the displacement can also be expressed as

s = C sin(2 pi ft + ֹφ) OR s = C cos(2 pi ft + ֹφ)

φ is called the phase angle and can be chosen to match the boundary conditions for either the sine or the cosine representation of the motion. φ will be different depending on which representation you want to use.
 

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