Understanding Time-Invariant and Variant Systems: Examples and Solutions

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The discussion revolves around understanding time-invariant and time-variant systems through specific examples involving the functions y(t)=x(-t) and y(t)=x(t^2). Participants are seeking clarification on the correctness of their proofs regarding the time invariance of these systems.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to demonstrate the time variance of the systems using specific transformations and definitions of shifted inputs and outputs. Some participants question the definitions used for x1 and y1, suggesting a need for clearer notation. Others express confusion about the proofs and the validity of the conclusions drawn.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively engaging in questioning the proofs presented. There is a recognition of the need for a more robust proof, but no consensus has been reached regarding the correctness of the original poster's approach.

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Participants are navigating the definitions of time-shifted inputs and outputs, which may not have been explicitly stated, leading to potential misunderstandings in the proofs. The original poster is seeking assistance within the constraints of homework guidelines.

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I would like to have some assistance with two examples of checking times in/variant systems.

1) y(t)=x(-t)


2) y(t)=x(t^2)

I would like to know what's wrong with the following solution of mine(especially the second one):

1) y(t)=x(-t)


x1(t)=x1(t-t0) => y1(t)=x(-t-t0)

y2(t)=y2(t-t0)=> y2(t)=x(-(t-t0))=x(-t+t0)

y1(t)=!y2(t) => time variant system.

2) y(t)=x(t^2)

x1(t)=x1(t-t0)=> y1(t)=x(t^2-t0)

y2(t)=y2(t-t0)=> y2(t)=x((t-t0)^2)

y1(t)=!y2(t)=> time variant system.

I'll appreciate any helpful comment :) thanks.
 
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I agree with your answers but I am baffled by the proofs.
I assume you are defining x1 as the tIme shifted input and y1 as the corresponding time shifted output. So surely you should write x1(t)=x(t-t0), y1(t)=x1(-t), etc?
 
Yeah yea exactly, so do you think its true?
 
Yes, but surely the point is to come up with a working proof.
 

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