Understanding Vector Equations in Homework Problems

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The discussion revolves around understanding vector equations, specifically focusing on the interpretation of certain equations presented in a homework context. Participants are trying to clarify the meaning of unit vectors and the implications of the equations related to the cross product and dot product in vector calculus.

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  • Participants are questioning the meaning of specific vector equations, particularly the distinction between scalar and vector formats. There is also confusion regarding the conditions under which the cross product is zero and the implications of differentiation in the context of vector fields.

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The discussion is active with participants providing insights and attempting to clarify each other's points. Some guidance has been offered regarding the mathematical expressions, but there remains a lack of consensus on the interpretation of the equations and their implications.

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can anyone enlighten me what the red and blue equations mean? i remembered something about the red eqn meaning unit vector in vector format, or scalar format is it?

and the blue eqn i have totally no idea what my prof is doing >< is he trying to say that del F is a dot product and since they are 0 because i =/= j, that means that cross product is 0?

help appreciated!
 
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hi quietrain ! :smile:

it's all very simple …

r^/r2 = (r/|r|)/r2 = r/r3

and

∂/∂xi (Fj)

= ∂/∂xi (xj)

= ∂/∂xi (xj/r3)

= {∂/∂xi (xj)}/r3 + {∂/∂xi 1/r3)}xj (product rule)

= 0 + {∂/∂xi 1/r3)}xj :wink:
 
with regards to part b)

for the cross product (del X F) to be 0, are they saying that delyFz - delzFy must be 0 and the other permutations too,

so that delyFz = delzFy

but from the form ∂/∂xi (Fj), it has a minus sign after differientiating, thus for Eijk, if we swop once to Eikj , then the minus sign is gone

so now its minus - plus = 2 minus , not 0?
 
hi quietrain! :smile:

(have a del: ∇ and an epsilon: ε :wink:)
quietrain said:
for the cross product (del X F) to be 0, are they saying that delyFz - delzFy must be 0 and the other permutations too,

so that delyFz = delzFy

yes :smile:
but from the form ∂/∂xi (Fj), it has a minus sign after differientiating, thus for Eijk, if we swop once to Eikj , then the minus sign is gone

so now its minus - plus = 2 minus , not 0?

ah, you can either write ∇jFk - ∇kFj

or εijkjFk

same thing :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
hi quietrain! :smile:

(have a del: ∇ and an epsilon: ε :wink:)


yes :smile:


ah, you can either write ∇jFk - ∇kFj

or εijkjFk

same thing :wink:


oh so it becomes minus minus minus which is minus plus = 0
thanks!
 

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