Understanding Wallis's Formula: Debunking Misconceptions About Inequalities"

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The discussion revolves around Wallis's formula and the inequalities involving sine functions, specifically examining the validity of certain mathematical statements and assumptions presented in a textbook. Participants are questioning the correctness of inequalities related to powers of sine functions and their implications.

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  • Participants are analyzing the inequality (n-1)/n < (n-2)/(n-1) and its implications, expressing confusion over the resulting contradiction. They explore whether the book's claims about sine functions are accurately represented and question the conditions under which these inequalities hold true.

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There is ongoing exploration of the mathematical statements, with some participants suggesting that the original text may be misinterpreted. Others are providing insights into the conditions under which the inequalities are valid, particularly focusing on the behavior of sine functions within specific intervals.

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Participants note that the inequalities discussed are contingent upon the values of sine functions, particularly within the interval [0, π/2], and the implications of these values on the inequalities being examined.

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The portion highlighted in the document seems wrong.

(n-1)/n < (n-2)/(n-1)
n2 - 2n + 1 < n2 - 2n

1<0 (WRONG)

So how can I believe what the book is saying?

Now if I let n be n - 2 then I still have 1<0. Therefore the element of (1) is greater than the corresponding element of (2), and not the other way around as the book says
 

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Miike012 said:
The portion highlighted in the document seems wrong.

(n-1)/n < (n-2)/(n-1)
n2 - 2n + 1 < n2 - 2n

1<0 (WRONG)

So how can I believe what the book is saying?

Now if I let n be n - 2 then I still have 1<0. Therefore the element of (1) is greater than the corresponding element of (2), and not the other way around as the book says

It might not be saying what you claim (although it is badly worded); maybe it asserts that ##\sin^{n-1}(x) < \sin^{n}(x) ## for every ##x \in (0, \pi/2),## and that is certainly true.
 
Ray Vickson said:
It might not be saying what you claim (although it is badly worded); maybe it asserts that ##\sin^{n-1}(x) < \sin^{n}(x) ## for every ##x \in (0, \pi/2),## and that is certainly true.

But it never said that. It says sin^{n-1}(x) > \sin^{n}(x)
 
Yes and that's correct as long as [itex]\sin x[/itex] is not negative. Proof: Let [itex]0<q \leq 1[/itex]. Then you can multiply the inequality [itex]q \leq 1[/itex] by [itex]q^{n-1}>0[/itex], leading to [itex]q^n \leq q^{n-1}[/itex].
 
vanhees71 said:
Yes and that's correct as long as [itex]\sin x[/itex] is not negative. Proof: Let [itex]0<q \leq 1[/itex]. Then you can multiply the inequality [itex]q \leq 1[/itex] by [itex]q^{n-1}>0[/itex], leading to [itex]q^n \leq q^{n-1}[/itex].

Well why doesn't it work in the math in post #1?

and is q equal to sin(theta)?
 
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vanhees71 said:
Yes and that's correct as long as [itex]\sin x[/itex] is not negative. Proof: Let [itex]0<q \leq 1[/itex]. Then you can multiply the inequality [itex]q \leq 1[/itex] by [itex]q^{n-1}>0[/itex], leading to [itex]q^n \leq q^{n-1}[/itex].

Why would this argument not work..
If n>0 then we have n>(n-1) and sin(x)n ≥ sin(x)n-1 for sin(x)≥0

is it because for 0≤x≤pi/2, 0≤sin(x)≤1?
 
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Miike012 said:
Why would this argument not work..
If n>0 then we have n>(n-1) and sin(x)n ≥ sin(x)n-1 for sin(x)≥0

is it because for 0≤x≤pi/2, 0≤sin(x)≤1?

Well, yes. If 0<=q<=1 then q^n=q*q^(n-1)<=q^(n-1). As vanhees71 already said. E.g. (1/2)^4<=(1/2)^3.
 
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