Find all values such that the inequality is true

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The problem involves finding all natural number values \( n \) such that the inequality \((n^2 + 2n + 3) / (2n^3 + 5n^2 + 8n + 3) < 0.025\) holds true. This is situated within the context of an Intro to Analysis course.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the reduction of the rational function and its implications for determining bounds on \( n \). Some question the notation used for \( n^2 \) and \( n^3 \), while others suggest methods for simplifying the inequality. There are inquiries about the relevance of certain numerical bounds mentioned in the discussion.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various participants exploring different aspects of the problem. Some have offered methods for simplification, while others emphasize the importance of showing detailed steps in the reasoning process. There is no explicit consensus on the approach yet.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the notation and the steps taken in the original post. There is also a note of caution regarding the conditions under which the inequality can be manipulated.

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Mod note: Moved from a technical math section, so missing the homework template.
This is for an Intro to Analysis course. It's been a very long time since I've taken a math course, so I do not remember much of anything.

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Here is the problem:For the inequality below, find all values n ∈ N such that the inequality is true:

(n2 + 2n +3) / (2n3 + 5n2 + 8n + 3) < 0.025.============================
Here is my attempt at the problem:Looking at the following set

{n ∈ N: (n2 + 2n +3) / (2n3 + 5n2 + 8n + 3) < 0.025}We want to find the lower bound of this set.Suppose A denotes the above set, then we haveA= {n ∈ N: (n2 + 2n +3) / (2n3 + 5n2 + 8n + 3) < 0.025}Since the above rational function can be reduced to 1/(2n+1) we have1/(2n+1) <0.025Where we get n>19.5. Since the lower bounds of the set are 19.5, 19.4, 19.3... And so on, this set is bound below by the natural number n=19. Therefore, the above inequality holds true for all n ∈ N greater than or equal to 20.==========
If you can only just tell me what topics I need to review to answer this correctly, I would appreciate it.
 
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what is n2,n3?
for example if n=1, n2=1 and n3=170000 you can make the inequality true...
\frac{1+2+3}{2 \times 170000 + 5 + 8 +3} = \frac{6}{340016}= 0.00001764622 &lt; 0.025
and so n=1 is keeping the inequality
 
ChrisVer said:
what is n2,n3?

Sorry. I didn't check to see if the format changed once I copied and pasted my problem:
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Here is the problem:For the inequality below, find all values n ∈ N such that the inequality is true:

(n2 + 2n +3) / (2n3 + 5n2+ 8n + 3) < 0.025.============================
Here is my attempt at the problem:Looking at the following set

{n ∈ N: (n2+ 2n +3) / (2n3 + 5n2 + 8n + 3) < 0.025}We want to find the lower bound of this set.Suppose A denotes the above set, then we haveA= {n ∈ N: (n2 + 2n +3) / (2n3 + 5n2 + 8n + 3) < 0.025}Since the above rational function can be reduced to 1/(2n+1) we have1/(2n+1) <0.025Where we get n>19.5. Since the lower bounds of the set are 19.5, 19.4, 19.3... And so on, this set is bound below by the natural number n=19. Therefore, the above inequality holds true for all n ∈ N greater than or equal to 20. Thus A= {20, 21, 22, 23,...}
 
I don't see the purpose of all those "steps" before reducing the rational function (which you should probably show in more detail).
JOATMON said:
Where we get n>19.5
Okay (showing the steps wouldn't hurt).
JOATMON said:
Since the lower bounds of the set are 19.5, 19.4, 19.3... And so on
What is the relevance of those numbers?

Once you have n>19.5 you can directly conclude that n>=20, and write down the set of solutions.
 
One method that might help with the simplification is to flip the inequality.
##\frac{ n^2 +2n+3}{2n^3 + 5n^2 + 8n+3} < .025 \equiv \frac{2n^3 + 5n^2 + 8n+3}{ n^2 +2n+3}>40##
Which as you pointed out can be written as
##2n+1 > 40.##
And you already have the solution.
 
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Be careful: to do that you have to check that the two sides cannot be negative. This is easy to do here, but it is a necessary step.
 

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