Undetermined coefficients to find general solution to system

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The discussion revolves around using the Method of Undetermined Coefficients to find the general solution to a system of differential equations. Participants are focused on deriving the particular solution after successfully obtaining the homogeneous solution.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Mike, expresses difficulty in finding the particular solution and suggests a trial solution of the form xp = [ ctwe^t + ue^t ], noting that it does not account for the constant term.
  • Another participant suggests that the trial solution should include a constant term and proposes a modified form xp = [ (cte^t + d)w ].
  • Mike attempts to differentiate his proposed solution and expresses confusion about equating terms to solve for coefficients c, a, and b.
  • A later reply questions the definition of matrix A, suggesting it refers to the matrix multiplying x in the original equations, and notes that terms involving e^t will cancel out due to it being a solution to the homogeneous equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the correct form of the trial solution or the method for equating terms to find the coefficients. The discussion remains unresolved with ongoing questions and attempts to clarify the approach.

Contextual Notes

There are missing assumptions regarding the definitions of variables and the matrix A, which may affect the clarity of the discussion. The participants have not fully resolved how to handle the terms in the equations.

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Hi,
I'm having a bit of trouble with a problem here.

The question is: Use the Method of undetermined coefficients to Find the general solution to th system:

dx/dt = y + e^t
dy/dt = -2x + 3y + 1

I've got the homogenous solution fine, however I'm having a bit of difficulty with the particular solution.

I used xp = [ ctwe^t + ue^t ] where w was [1,1]^T but i know this trial doesn't include the 1 term and is therefore incorrect.

Can someone let me know what I'm supposed to do as a trial solution in this case. It's not explained in my notes, and I've looked online but to no avail.

Thanks!
Mike
 
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What you give will work for the et part- though you really don't need the et- tet is enough. For the "1" you need to add a constant : say
xp = [ (cte^t+ d)w ]
 
hi,
thanks for your help. I still cannot manage to get the solution. Is there anyway you can show some working I'd appreciate it?

What I did:

Let xp = [ (cte^t+ d)w ]

therefore xp (differentiated) = cwe^t + cwte^t + 0

Then Ax(t) + g(t)
is cwte^t + [ b + 1 , -2a + 3b ]^T + [ e^t , 1 ]^T

now we are supposed to equate to get the values of c, a and b but I cannot see how to do this...
Thanks
 
mslodyczka said:
Hi,
I'm having a bit of trouble with a problem here.

The question is: Use the Method of undetermined coefficients to Find the general solution to th system:

dx/dt = y + e^t
dy/dt = -2x + 3y + 1

I've got the homogenous solution fine, however I'm having a bit of difficulty with the particular solution.

I used xp = [ ctwe^t + ue^t ] where w was [1,1]^T but i know this trial doesn't include the 1 term and is therefore incorrect.

Can someone let me know what I'm supposed to do as a trial solution in this case. It's not explained in my notes, and I've looked online but to no avail.

Thanks!
Mike

mslodyczka said:
hi,
thanks for your help. I still cannot manage to get the solution. Is there anyway you can show some working I'd appreciate it?

What I did:

Let xp = [ (cte^t+ d)w ]

therefore xp (differentiated) = cwe^t + cwte^t + 0

Then Ax(t) + g(t)
is cwte^t + [ b + 1 , -2a + 3b ]^T + [ e^t , 1 ]^T

now we are supposed to equate to get the values of c, a and b but I cannot see how to do this...
Thanks

What is A? You didn't mention that before. Is that the matrix mutliplying x in your original equation? If so you set that equal to the derivatives on the left. Because et is a solution to the homogenous equation, the terms involving tet will cancel out.
 

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