Unit of the Determinant of a 2-space Matrix

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The discussion revolves around the units associated with the determinant of a 2-space matrix and the area of a parallelogram formed by vectors in that space. Participants are exploring the relationship between determinants, area, and their respective units.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning whether the determinant of a 2-space matrix and the area of a parallelogram should both be expressed in square units. There is a focus on understanding the implications of units in the context of specific vector spaces and measurements.

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Some participants are providing guidance on the relevance of units based on the context of the problem, while others are clarifying their assumptions about the measurements involved. The conversation is ongoing, with multiple interpretations being explored regarding the necessity of including units in the final answers.

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There is mention of a lack of specified units for length in the problem statement, leading to uncertainty about whether to include units for area and determinants. Participants are navigating these constraints as they discuss their reasoning.

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Do determinants of a 2-space matrix have a unit of [units]^2?
Also, does A_parallelogram = || u x v|| have a unit of [units]^2 too?
This has confused me as Area has a unit of [units]^ 2 but the examples from the Contemporary Linear Algebra (Anton and Busby) textbook does not state any units at all.
 
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The area of a parallelogram has units of "u2" where u is whatever unit is being used to measure area. That is a specific application of norm and does NOT say that norm of the cross product of a vector has any units at all! Are you assuming that there is some form of "measurement" so that the vectors in whatever vector space you are talking about have a specific unit? And that raises the question, are you thinking of some specific vector space?
 
HallsofIvy said:
The area of a parallelogram has units of "u2" where u is whatever unit is being used to measure area. That is a specific application of norm and does NOT say that norm of the cross product of a vector has any units at all! Are you assuming that there is some form of "measurement" so that the vectors in whatever vector space you are talking about have a specific unit? And that raises the question, are you thinking of some specific vector space?

Well, yeah. Finding the area of a unit square 'ABCD' that is represented by a 2x4 M matrix =
[ 0 1 1 0 ]
[ 1 1 0 0 ]
which has been multiplied by a 2x2 matrix N =
[ -2 0 ]
[ 0 -2 ]

I had to calculate the area of N.M and the determinant of the N matrix.
And I was just wondering since it's the area (found by Aparallelogram = || u x v||) do I just write [units]^2?
Also since I'm meant to find out that the determinant is the area of the parallelogram, should I write [units]^2 or leave it blank?

-- So there is an application of the norm of the cross product of two adjacent vectors in 2-space (Aparallelogram = || u x v||), in this situation should I put [units]^2 in the answer? I deduce that I'm not meant to know about det(N) being the area of N.M so I guess I won't write any units for that.
 
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What units are you told the length is measured in? If you are not given any measurements for a length, then I would not write any units for the area.
 
HallsofIvy said:
What units are you told the length is measured in? If you are not given any measurements for a length, then I would not write any units for the area.

No units, it just says calculate the area of N.M and calculate det(N).
I just want to cover my bases as it asked for area and I thought I should just put a unit of 'units^2' at the end...
 

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