Unit tangent vector and equation of tangent line to curve

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The discussion revolves around finding a unit tangent vector and the equation of the tangent line to the curve defined by the parametric equations r(t) = (t, t^2, cos(t)) for t >= 0, specifically at the point r(pi/2). Participants express confusion regarding the nature of the curve and the steps required to solve the problem.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how the given parametric equations represent a curve and seeks clarification on how to approach the problem.
  • Another participant explains that by substituting values for t, one can visualize the curve as a series of points in 3D space, suggesting that the curve is formed by connecting these points.
  • A participant mentions calculating the derivative at t = pi/2 to find a tangent vector, resulting in the vector (1, pi, -1), but expresses confusion about the next steps and the relationship of this vector to the overall problem.
  • Further clarification is provided on how to convert the tangent vector into a unit tangent vector by normalizing it and how to find the point on the curve at t = pi/2.
  • One participant offers a broader mathematical perspective on curves, explaining the concept of degrees of freedom in relation to the mapping of curves and surfaces in higher dimensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the steps needed to find the tangent vector and the tangent line, but there is ongoing confusion and uncertainty regarding the definitions and relationships between the components of the problem. No consensus is reached on the clarity of the problem statement itself.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in understanding the problem due to unfamiliarity with the form of the equations and the concepts of tangent vectors and curves. There are unresolved questions about the relationship between the tangent vector and the curve in general versus at the specific point.

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"find a unit tangent vector and the equation of the tangent line to the curve r(t) = (t, t^2, cost), t>=0 at the point r(pi/2)." NOW, what I don't get is, how is that a curve? This is not like the example I have studied and I don't really get the question. So I don't know where to start. Once I find a starting point I can probably do it but I don't recognise the form of the problem which is a major issue. Any hinters? Gracias.
 
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GreenGoblin said:
"find a unit tangent vector and the equation of the tangent line to the curve r(t) = (t, t^2, cost), t>=0 at the point r(pi/2)." NOW, what I don't get is, how is that a curve? This is not like the example I have studied and I don't really get the question. So I don't know where to start. Once I find a starting point I can probably do it but I don't recognise the form of the problem which is a major issue. Any hinters? Gracias.

Hi GreenGoblin! :)

If you fill in successive values for t, you'll get a number of dots with coordinates (x,y,z).
Connecting those dots gets you a curve.
You might also write it as:

x(t)=t
y(t)=t^2
z(t)=cos(t)

To find the tangent, you're supposed to take the derivative with respect to t, which will give you a tangent vector.
 
Hi, thanks for your reply. So how can I express this? do i solve the derivatives at pi/2? I get (1, pi, -1). What can I do with this? I am really bad at this topic and I don't know where to go with it. What part of the question is this the solution for? I don't even know. I need a 'unit tangent vector', and a 'tangent line to the curve'. Are these both associated to the point pi/2, or the curve in general? I don't know. can i convert these parametric coords to cartesian. i try to do it but with three variables i can't figure.
 
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GreenGoblin said:
Hi, thanks for your reply. So how can I express this? do i solve the derivatives at pi/2? I get (1, pi, -1). What can I do with this? I am really bad at this topic and I don't know where to go with it. What part of the question is this the solution for? I don't even know. I need a 'unit tangent vector', and a 'tangent line to the curve'. Are these both associated to the point pi/2, or the curve in general? I don't know

You have just found a tangent vector to the curve at $t=\pi/2$.
To make it a unit tangent vector you need to divide each of its components by the length of the vector.
Let's call this vector $\mathbf d$.

If you fill in pi/2 in the curve specification, you get the point on the curve that you need.
Let's call this point $\mathbf{p} = (p_x, p_y, p_z) = (x(\pi/2), y(\pi/2), z(\pi/2))$.

The line has to be a line that goes through this point in the direction of that tangent vector.
The parameter representation of the line is $\mathbf{r}(t) = (p_x + d_x t, ~ p_y + d_y t, ~ p_z + d_z t)$.
 
As a quick and sloppy way of thinking about it, a curve is something with one degree of freedom. In this case, we have something like $r: I \subset \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}^3$. If we had a surface, we would have something such as $\varphi: U \subset \mathbb{R}^2 \to \mathbb{R}^3$.

More generally, given a map $\gamma: V \subset \mathbb{R}^d \to \mathbb{R}^n$, with $d \leq n$, you can have a maximum of $d$ degrees of freedom. This results in a $d$-dimensional plane in your $n$-dimensional space.

I hope this helps you identify and understand curves and other geometric objects defined in similar ways. (Yes)

- Fantini
 

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