Unit vector perpendicular to a plane.

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The discussion focuses on finding a unit vector that is perpendicular to a plane defined by three points in three-dimensional space, as well as a unit vector in the direction of a given vector at a specific point. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to vector operations and plane equations.

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  • One participant presents a method for finding a unit vector in the direction of a vector E at point P(2,3,-4) and successfully computes the unit vector.
  • For the second part of the problem, the same participant describes calculating cross products of vectors defined by the three points to find a perpendicular vector to the plane, noting that different cross products yield varying results.
  • Another participant suggests that the points lie in a plane represented by a linear equation and proposes solving a system of equations to find constants that define the plane, which would lead to a normal vector.
  • A later reply questions whether there is a quicker method than solving the system of equations and seeks clarification on the validity of the cross product method mentioned earlier.
  • Another participant confirms that the cross product method is valid and emphasizes that it can yield a perpendicular vector to the plane, noting that the order of the vectors in the cross product affects the sign of the result.

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Participants generally agree on the validity of using the cross product to find a perpendicular vector to the plane, but there is no consensus on the best method to derive the unit vector or the implications of the different cross products obtained.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves various approaches to finding a unit vector perpendicular to a plane, with some methods relying on solving systems of equations while others utilize vector cross products. The implications of the results and the conditions under which they hold are not fully resolved.

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Find in rectangular coordinates a unit vector which is: A. in the direction of E at P(2,3,-4)if $\overline{E}=(x^2+y^2+z^2)\left(\frac{xa_{x}}{\sqrt{y^2+z^3}}+\frac{ya_{y}}{\sqrt{x^2+z^2}}+\frac{za_{z}}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}\right)$; B. Perpendicular to the plane passing through M(1,-5,5), N(-2,4,0) and Q(2,3,4) and having a positive $x$ component.

I managed to solve for a.

$E=11.6a_{x}+19.46a_{y}-32.161a_{z}$ at P(2,3,-4)

then, $\overline{a_{E}}=\frac{E}{|E|}=0.295a_{x}+0.495a_{y}-0.818a_{z}$

what I did for prob B was I find all the possible cross products of the vectors defined by those 3 points given above. I get different results and one of them matched the key answer in my book. Are those results that I get from taking all the cross products of the vectors on the plane defined by the given points valid?

$\overline{MQ}\times\overline{NQ}$ by the way, this is the cross product that matched the answer in my book.

can you help me with prob B. TIA!
 
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Drain Brain said:
Find in rectangular coordinates a unit vector which is: A. in the direction of E at P(2,3,-4)if $\overline{E}=(x^2+y^2+z^2)\left(\frac{xa_{x}}{\sqrt{y^2+z^3}}+\frac{ya_{y}}{\sqrt{x^2+z^2}}+\frac{za_{z}}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}\right)$; B. Perpendicular to the plane passing through M(1,-5,5), N(-2,4,0) and Q(2,3,4) and having a positive $x$ component.

I managed to solve for a.

$E=11.6a_{x}+19.46a_{y}-32.161a_{z}$ at P(2,3,-4)

then, $\overline{a_{E}}=\frac{E}{|E|}=0.295a_{x}+0.495a_{y}-0.818a_{z}$

what I did for prob B was I find all the possible cross products of the vectors defined by those 3 points given above. I get different results and one of them matched the key answer in my book. Are those results that I get from taking all the cross products of the vectors on the plane defined by the given points valid?

$\overline{MQ}\times\overline{NQ}$ by the way, this is the cross product that matched the answer in my book.

can you help me with prob B. TIA!

You know that the points (1, -5, 5), (-2, 4, 0) and (2, 3, 4) lie in the plane which has equation $\displaystyle \begin{align*} a\,x + b\,y+ c\,z = d \end{align*}$, where a,b,c,d are constants. So substituting these values in gives the system of equations

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \phantom{-}1a - 5b + 5c &= d \\ -2a + 4b + 0c &= d \\ \phantom{-}2a + 3b + 4c &= d \end{align*}$

Once you solve the system for a,b,c in terms of d, you will be able to write down a vector that is normal to the plane. Dividing by d and its length will give you a unit vector in that direction.
 
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You know that the points (1, -5, 5), (-2, 4, 0) and (2, 3, 4) lie in the plane which has equation $\displaystyle \begin{align*} a\,x + b\,y+ c\,z = d \end{align*}$, where a,b,c,d are constants. So substituting these values in gives the system of equations

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \phantom{-}1a - 5b + 5c &= d \\ -2a + 4b + 0c &= d \\ \phantom{-}2a + 3b + 4c &= d \end{align*}$

Once you solve the system for a,b,c in terms of d, you will be able to write down a vector that is normal to the plane. Dividing by d and its length will give you a unit vector in that direction.

Is there other quick method than this?
what can you say about the cross product that I mentiond above? It gave me the right answer though.
 
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Hi,

Your method was right, and even simpler, given three not collinear points in the space, you can choose two vectors between them that will generate the whole plane containing that three points, and the crossproduct will give you a perpendicular vector to the plane, and if you flip the order of the vectors into the cross product you will get the same answer but with the sign changed.
 
Hi, Fallen Angel! thanks!
 

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