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The problem involves a particle, specifically a car, encountering a potential barrier characterized by its height and thickness. The task is to derive an equation for the tunneling probability and to determine the probability of tunneling through the barrier, with a focus on the appropriate units for energy in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to clarify the units of energy required for calculations related to the potential barrier, questioning whether Joules is the correct unit. Some participants suggest using specific values for the potential energy and kinetic energy to explore the implications on tunneling probability.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaged in exploring the implications of their assumptions regarding energy units and values. There is a recognition of the complexity in calculating the tunneling probability, with attempts to use approximations leading to conflicting results. Guidance has been offered in the form of hints, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or interpretation.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the appropriate units for energy in the context of the problem, as well as the implications of using specific values for the potential barrier height and thickness. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the calculations and the resulting probabilities.

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Homework Statement


A car (particle) with mass m = 1 t drives into a barrier with a height of 1 m and a thickness of 3 m. The kinetic energy shall be sufficient to get classically over a barrier with half of the height. Derive an equation for the tunnelling probability. What is the probability to tunnel through the barrier?

Homework Equations


Tunneling probability is given by

(i) T = (|A'|/|A|)^2 = (1−E/Vo)/[1 − E/Vo + (Vo/4E) sinh2(bα] ; where

α = √[2m(Vo − E)]/(h/2π) , b=3 m the barrier thickness, Vo: barrier potentail and E: particle's (car's) energy.


This is an experimental physics homework. So I should be getting some numbers at the end. I have the equation (i) and I know how to use it. But, I'm not sure what "the potential barrrier to having a height of 1 m" mean unit-wise. In other words, I don't know which units I should use for the energy while calculating α? Feels like I should be using Joules but it's a just an intiution. If so, why?

Apologies for not being able to use LaTeX.
 
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Hello pheno, :welcome:

In SI energy is in Joules. Doesn't give a very high speed, but I think that's what the composer of the exercise means.
 
So you suggest I use Vo = 1 J? If I do that, I will get

bα = b*√[2m(Vo − E)]/(h/2π) = 3√(2*1000*(1-1/2)/(1.054*10^-34)) ≈ 10^36. With Vo = 1 J, E = 0.5 J the equation (i) becomes

T=1/(sinh(bα))^2.

New problems arise:
1) WolframAlpha didn't calculate (sinh(10^36))^-2 so I did a Taylor expansion (just to get an idea about the value I should have):

(sinh(bα))^-2 = (bα + (bα)^3/3! +o(5))^-2 ≈ 10^-72 ≈ 0.

This could have been okay I guess, saying the probability of the car to tunnel is nearly zero.

2) However when I do the following to check my conclusion, I get something completely different.

For bα>10, we can approximate sinh(bα) = (1/2)(e^bα - e^-bα) ≈ (1/2)e^bα. Then 1/(sinh(bα))^2 ≈ 1/((1/4)e^(2bα)) = 4*e^(-2bα) = 4* e^(-2*10^36) ≈ 4.

This is clearly wrong, since T cannot be bigger then one. Hence, I'm stuck again.
 
Hint: mgh
 

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