University of Australia Slows Light to 670 mph

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The discussion revolves around the claim that researchers at the University of Australia have found a way to slow down light, specifically referencing a change from 670 millies per hour to 670 miles per hour. Participants explore the implications of this claim, questioning the nature of light's speed and the underlying physics involved, including references to Einstein's theories and the behavior of light in different media.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the claim of slowing light, referencing Einstein's assertion that the speed of light cannot be changed in a vacuum.
  • Others propose that the observed slowing of light is due to absorption and re-emission processes in a medium, which can make light take longer to travel a distance.
  • A participant mentions that high-energy cosmic rays can travel faster than light in air, producing Cherenkov radiation, which is linked to the discussion of light's speed in different media.
  • There is a clarification that while the speed of light is constant in a vacuum, it appears slower in other media due to the interactions with particles, leading to a discussion on the refractive index.
  • One participant introduces the idea of using nuclear spin in computers, suggesting potential advancements in computational speed, although this point diverges from the main topic of light's speed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express confusion and debate the interpretation of the claim regarding slowing light. There are multiple competing views on the nature of light's speed in different contexts, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the original claim.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference Einstein's theories and the behavior of light in various media, but there are limitations in the assumptions made about the nature of light's speed and the specific experimental details from the original claim.

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at the Univeisty of Austrilla they found a way slow down light:confused:They slowed it down from 670 millies per hour to 670 miles per hour :confused:
http://www.sciencentral.com/articles/view.php3?type=article&article_id=218392702
 
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What exactly is so shocking about this?
 
inha said:
What exactly is so shocking about this?
I'am confused how are you soppesed to slow light einstein said you couldn't
 
scott1 said:
I'am confused how are you soppesed to slow light einstein said you couldn't

I haven't read the link but I'm assuming they aren't - the light is traveling at c but it's continually absorbed and emmitted by electrons in the medium it's being passed through, so it takes significantly longer to get from A to B, effectively 'slowing' the speed the light takes to travel the distance.

That's why the speed of light in air is slower than the speed of light in a vacuum (iirc particles produced by high energy cosmic rays can actually travel faster than light in air, producing some kind of shockwave akin to that of a sonic boom)
 
Just some guy said:
iirc particles produced by high energy cosmic rays can actually travel faster than light in air, producing some kind of shockwave akin to that of a sonic boom

Yup, it's called Cherenkov radiation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_effect
 
The idea of puting the nuclear spin usage into computesr is inegnious. I mean, you think we have fast comptuers now, just think about getting the computations that take several minutes today, take less than a millionth of a second! Shwew!
 
scott1 said:
I'am confused how are you soppesed to slow light einstein said you couldn't

No, he said the speed of light in vacuum is the same to all observers, irrespective of how fast they are moving relative to one another. That's a completely different thing from what's happening here.
 
HallsofIvy said:
No, he said the speed of light in vacuum is the same to all observers, irrespective of how fast they are moving relative to one another. That's a completely different thing from what's happening here.

the speed of light is the same in any medium. The reason it appear slower is because of absorption and the reemition of a new ray.
 
michael879 said:
the speed of light is the same in any medium. The reason it appear slower is because of absorption and the reemition of a new ray.


In other words, light only travels in a vacuum. A single photon does not push through matter.

Transparent matter let's light through, because its particles absorb the photons as they come in, then emit another one out the other side.

This absorbing and emitting takes time, and the resulting slowdown is called the "refractive index" of the matter.

But the light itself, the photons, only ever travel at full lightspeed.
 
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