Unraveling Classical Music in Modern Media

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of classical music in modern media, including commercials, television series, and movies. Participants explore specific pieces of classical music that have been featured or adapted in contemporary contexts, as well as the origins of various tunes and their adaptations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants identify specific classical pieces used in media, such as the overture from Wilhelm Tell and the Adagio from Spartacus.
  • There is a discussion about the origins of the tune "If I Had Words," with some suggesting it may relate to Camille Saint-Saëns' Symphony No. 3.
  • Participants mention various adaptations of classical music in works like Disney's Fantasia and Looney Tunes, raising questions about specific pieces reworked in different contexts.
  • One participant lists questions about classical pieces featured in "Hamlet the opera" on Gilligan's Island, including the Habanera and the Toreador song from Carmen.
  • There are references to the European anthem and its connection to Beethoven, with discussions about its lyrics and origins.
  • Some participants share their familiarity with specific commercials that used classical music, such as the Old Spice commercial featuring "O Fortuna" from Orff's Carmina Burana.
  • There are mentions of the Titan watches commercials and inquiries about the music used in them, indicating a search for specific classical pieces in advertising.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views and interpretations regarding the origins and adaptations of classical music in modern media. Participants do not reach a consensus on several points, including the specific pieces referenced and their connections to various media.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the origins of tunes and their adaptations remain unresolved, with participants expressing uncertainty about specific pieces and their historical context. There are also references to various adaptations that may depend on individual interpretations.

  • #31
This might be interesting-
Firstly, from the movie, Amadeus


Then performed in The Marriage of Figaro


Then, I've heard Mika based the song Grace Kelly on the Marriage of Figaro, and I think it must be based on this same piece, but happy to be corrected!



On another note, Pachelbel's rant
 
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  • #32
fi said:
I think I've once mentioned this movement somewhere here before, it is wonderful.
I owned this on CD (but lost it during a move, I think :frown:). It is possibly the best recording of Beethoven I've heard.
 
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  • #33
fi said:
This might be interesting-
Firstly, from the movie, Amadeus


Then performed in The Marriage of Figaro


Then, I've heard Mika based the song Grace Kelly on the Marriage of Figaro, and I think it must be based on this same piece, but happy to be corrected!


Thanks Fi, that's great stuff, although it hard to recognise Figaro in Grace Kelly. The tune seems rather modified.

On another note, Pachelbel's rant


Excellent, that's a real gem. Now listen to the orginal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wpPk8qk3uQ"

Some of the sequels:

Rain and tears
Spicks and specks

especially recommended:
Someday we will all be together

There are plenty more.
 
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  • #34
Gokul43201 said:
I can't recall the Titan tune...but it might come to me later.

Could not find the ad, but the tune is available in this video. (3:40)


And yeah, the UEFA anthem is still unanswered.
 
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  • #35
Okay the UEFA anthem seems to be:

The tread is becoming a bit chaotic indeed. I'll collect all links and ask Evo (to whom this thread is dedicated, for cheering up) to insert them in the opening post

Edit Meanwhile, name this music: lover's Barcarole
 
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  • #36
Gokul43201 said:
I owned this on CD (but lost it during a move, I think :frown:). It is possibly the best recording of Beethoven I've heard.

I agree. It can certainly make me cry, and not for having lost the CD:smile:
 
  • #37
neutrino said:
Could not find the ad, but the tune is available in this video. (3:40)


And yeah, the UEFA anthem is still unanswered.


Is this the one?
 
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  • #38
Andre said:
Edit Meanwhile, name this music: lover's Barcarole

A better version than the Gilligan's Island, Ginger/Ophelia one? :smile:
 
  • #39
Meanwhile, the harvest of sequels from classical tunes so far (after the openings thread). I'm about halfway. The story of the French Anthem appears to be a tad more complicated.

Original: Symphony #3 for Organ, Camille Saint-Saëns

Spin off: If I had words
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Original: "The Ride of the Valkyries" from Die Walkure by Richard Wagner

Sequel: Apocalypse Now

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Original: Habarena from Carmen by Bizet

Sequels:
Hamlet from Gilligan’s island
The Three Musketeers, Goofy and Clarabella

***
Original: Toreador from Carmen by Georges Bizet

Sequel: first movement of Mozart’s piano concerto no. 25

***
Original: Duet from Genevieve de Brabant by Jacques Offenbach

Sequel: US Marines hymn
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Original: Final Choir “Ode an die Freude” in the 9th symphony by Ludwich von Beethoven

Sequels:
European anthem
Die hard
***

Original:

Sequel: UEFA anthem
***

Original: O Fortuna from Carmina Burana by Carl Orff

Sequels:
Big ad
Old spice
 
  • #40
fi said:
Lover's barcarole

A better version than the Gilligan's Island, Ginger/Ophelia one? :smile:

No but it seems related, just look around on the page a bit.
 
  • #41
Great harvest Andre, sorry I added some ridiculous things!

There were three pieces in the Gilligans Island opera- The Habarena, the Barcarolle and The Toreador song, so three sequels there.

The first movement of Mozarts piano concerto no.25 was (seemingly) the original, with a fragment that foreshadowed the Marsaillies, and this had sequels and music that referred back, including Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture and The Beatles' Love is all you need.
 
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  • #42
Yes but there are more sources for that, intertwined with the Russian anthem and Berlioz is named as composer as well as Rouget de Lisle but also Etienne Méhul.

Anyway, the second movement of Mozart 25th is definitely also one with sequels.
 
  • #43
Sure, I was just enjoying the influences, and explaining why the 1st movement of the piano concerto no.25 is there. You may want to edit your harvest, because it isn't there as any relation to the Toreador song. Also you may want to check the link with the Gendarmes' duet. I couldn't find one myself.
 
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  • #44
I was posting and editing at much the same time as Andre, and a bit at cross-purposes, I think, sorry. Certainly anything is better than Ginger’s singing.
How about this one?
a Sony ad. I like the Stones’ ‘Ruby Tuesday’ on the one that is playing at the moment, too.
Or this?
Halo 3
 
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  • #45
fi said:
How about this one?
a Sony ad


Great :approve: Rossini again

Back later, an urgent essay to write.
 
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