Unraveling the Concept of Relativity: Understanding Light and Time

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The discussion revolves around the concept of relativity, specifically focusing on the relationship between light, time, and the effects of speed on time perception. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical relationships, and conceptual understandings related to these phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses curiosity about the limits of human imagination in understanding light and time, questioning how time slows down as speed increases.
  • Another participant explains that time dilation occurs because the speed of light remains constant regardless of the motion of the source, using a thought experiment involving a spaceship and a laser to illustrate the concept.
  • A follow-up question is posed regarding the reason behind time slowing down, suggesting a potential connection to energy and spatial dimensions.
  • Another participant clarifies that the perception of time slowing down is relative, emphasizing that observers moving relative to each other will perceive each other's clocks as running slower.
  • A further response argues against the idea that energy "stresses" space or time, proposing an alternative view of clocks measuring their own path through space-time, with a specific mathematical formulation provided to describe this relationship.
  • One participant expresses that the discussion is becoming clearer to them, indicating a growing understanding of the concepts involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement, particularly regarding the underlying reasons for time dilation. While some explanations are accepted, alternative viewpoints are also presented, leaving the discussion unresolved on certain aspects.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of space-time and the implications of speed on time perception remain unexamined, and the mathematical relationships discussed depend on specific definitions and interpretations that may not be universally agreed upon.

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Over time, I've realized there are certain limits to how far the human imagination can go. Even for simple things, it seems that we can not imagine much further than what experience allows...anyways: How does this light and time thing work? How is it that time slows down as we go faster?? It doesn't seem all too hard for me to imagine going faster than a beam of light...and why is light constant...and why at 3.00 X 10E8 m/s...?
 
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Gear300 said:
and why is light constant...and why at 3.00 X 10E8 m/s...?
No one knows.

Gear300 said:
How is it that time slows down as we go faster??
That's a consequence of the fact that the speed of light doesn't depend on the speed of the light source. Imagine a spaceship moving with velocity v relative to you, and suppose they switch on a laser with the beam going perpendicular to the direction of their motion (from their point of view), and hitting a target inside the ship.

To them, the distance between the light source and the target is ct, where t is the time it takes the light to reach the target according to their clock. But from your point of view, the ship will have moved a distance vt' when the laser hits the target, where t' is the time it takes the light to reach the target according to your clock. So from your point of view, the light had to travel a greater distance to reach its target. That distance is ct'.

But ct', vt' and ct are not independent of each other. The relationship between them is described by the Pythagorean theorem, since ct' is the hypothenuse of a right triangle, so we have

[tex](ct')^2=(vt')^2+(ct)^2[/tex]

If you solve this for t, the result is

[tex]t=t'\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}[/tex]

which is <t' since that square root is <1.
 
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...I see. You've seemed to have answered my question...it makes sense. But just to give purpose to...why does time slow down when we go faster? Is it because while moving, the energy dimensionally stresses space...and to that extent...time?
 
why does time slow down when we go faster?

your clocks will appear slower to someone who is moving relative to you. You won't notice anything different. The reason, as Frederik has indicated, is because the speed of light is the same for both ( and all) observers.
 
I don't think I can come up with a better answer than the one I already gave you. It has nothing to do with energy. Neither space nor time needs to be "stressed" in any way for this effect to appear.

This is one way to think of it: A clock is a device that measures the "length" of its own path through space-time, with "length" defined in a strange way. To calculate it, you could break the path up into a series of short jumps and then add up contributions of the form [itex]\sqrt{c^2dt^2-dx^2-dy^2-dz^2}[/itex] along the path. The dx, dy and dz are all =0 along the path through space-time of a clock that's stationary in space, so a stationary clock takes the "longest" possible path through space-time.

Note that c is the upper speed limit on massive particles and that the presence of c in that square root implies that a higher value of c would make the contribution from dx, dy and dz less significant. So if there was no upper speed limit (i.e. if we take the limit [itex]c\rightarrow\infty[/itex]) all paths between the same two endpoints would have exactly the same "length", and there would be no time dilation.
 
Interesting stuff...its beginning to make a little bit of sense to me now...
 

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