Unraveling the Mystery of 4π in Coulomb's Law

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The discussion centers on the presence of the factor 4π in Coulomb's Law within the SI unit system, contrasting it with the CGS system where this factor appears to be absent. Participants explore the implications of this difference, the geometric reasoning behind it, and the rationalization of units in electromagnetic theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of the 4π factor in Coulomb's Law, noting that the CGS version does not include it.
  • Another participant explains that the 4π arises from the spherical geometry of the electric field created by a point charge.
  • A participant acknowledges the difference between statcoulomb and coulomb, emphasizing that the 4π is related to εo, which has dimensions, but seeks clarification on its specific role.
  • One participant suggests that both CGS and SI systems include the 4π, but in different contexts, depending on how Maxwell's equations are rationalized.
  • A later reply asserts that the 4π is necessary due to the spherical nature of wave propagation and relates it to Gauss' Law, explaining how it connects to Coulomb's Law through spherical symmetry.
  • Another participant recommends a resource for understanding the construction of electromagnetic units and their equations.
  • A participant expresses appreciation for the explanations provided, indicating some level of understanding gained from the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the necessity and placement of the 4π factor in different unit systems. There is no consensus on whether it could be eliminated or redefined in a way that does not involve the factor.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on definitions and the rationalization of units in electromagnetic theory, as well as the unresolved nature of how the 4π factor is treated across different systems.

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Why the 4π in Coulomb's Law, SI version? The CGS version does well without it...:confused:

<br /> \mbox{thanks in advance!}<br />
 
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Pythagorean said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statcoulomb

They're not dimensionally equivalent. The 4pi is a result of the spherical geometry of the field created by a point charge.

I've read that link you provided...I understand the difference between statcoulomb and coulomb, that they're not dimensionally equivalent. however this comes from the εo, which has a dimension. It doesn't say why the 4π enters the picture
 
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And what's the "spherical geometry of the field created by a point charge"? Could anyone elaborate on that?
 
So both CGS and SI have the 4π, only in different places? But what is its necessity? Wouldn't it be possible to define the electromagnetic units such that the factor of 4π is eliminated?
 
It is necessary because of the spherical geometry inherent in the physics. For example, if I have a point source antenna that creates spherical waves, the energy across any spherical surface centered about our source must remain constant in a lossless medium. That is, if we have a lossless medium, then the energy emitted must remain constant. If we emit spherical waves, then the entire energy spread across a given wavefront remains constat as it propagates out in space. If we were to look at the energy at a single point on the wavefront as the wave expanded/propagated, then we would see that the fields would drop off as 1/(4 \pi r^2) since the surface of the wavefront is expanding as a spherical surface.

This is where we get the 4\pi from. In terms of statics, we can look at Gauss' Law. If I place a single point charge at the center of a spherical Gaussian surface, then the total flux through the Gaussian surface of the electric field is proportional to the charge. Through the use of spherical symmetry we can actually derive the actual electric field from this relationship. The result is of course Coulomb's law and once again due to the spherical geometry we acquire the 4\pi factor. But since Coulomb's law is incorporated into Maxwell's Equations, we can move the 4\pi off of Coulomb's law to Gauss' law and not change the resulting physics.
 
To see how the unit systems of electromagnetic quantities are constructed and understand the relations between its equations I recommend:
Jackson, J.D. Appendix on Units and Dimensions on Classical Electrodynamics.
 
<br /> \mbox{hmmm...got that}<br />
Thanks, born2bwire! :smile: Your explanation was good.
 

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