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The discussion revolves around understanding Coulomb's law, specifically the role of the factor 4π in the law's formulation. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical expressions, and the significance of constants in the context of electrostatics.

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  • One participant questions the origin of the factor 4π in Coulomb's law.
  • Another participant suggests that 4πε0r² relates to the surface area of a sphere, indicating a geometric interpretation.
  • Some participants propose that expressing the constant as 1/4πε0 can simplify certain problems by canceling out the 4π terms, while others argue for a more straightforward constant k.
  • There is a mention of the speed of light equation and how using 4π in Coulomb's law can lead to a more elegant formulation in related equations.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the fixation on the 4π term and seeks further clarification.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of the 4π factor in Coulomb's law. There is no consensus on whether one formulation is superior to another, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to express the constant.

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Participants reference mathematical relationships and constants without fully resolving the implications of their choices or the underlying assumptions related to the use of 4π.

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Coulombs law in SI system is given by
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from where does the factor 4[tex]\pi[/tex] come in.
 
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hi sphyics! :smile:

(have an epsilon: ε :wink:)

it's because 4πε0r2 = ε0A(r), where A(r) is the surface area of a sphere of radius r

see the pf library on Coulomb's law for more details :wink:
 
Putting it another way you can express the constant as a straightforward k where (k is a constant of the medium) but for many problems 4 pi would appear in the final answer.By expressing the constant as 1/4pi epsilon(which of course is equal to k) the 4 pis would cancel in said problems.Take your choice as to how to express the constant but the 1/4pi epsilon option,although it may look more complicated at first sight,actually works out to be the neater option.
 
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Dadface said:
Putting it another way you can express the constant as a straightforward k where (k is a constant of the medium) but for many problems 4 pi would appear in the final answer.By expressing the constant as 1/4pi epsilon(which of course is equal to k) the 4 pis would cancel in said problems.Take your choice as to how to express the constant but the 1/4pi epsilon option,although it may look more complicated at first sight,actually works out to be the neater option.

agree with that, but why the fixation with [itex]4\,\pi[/itex] term in a law.
 
The best example I can think of:
The speed of light in a vacuum is given by root 1/epsilon zero* mu zero
epsilon zero is an electrical constant of the vacuum(as you know) and mu zero a magnetic constant of the vacuum.If we expressed the constant in Coulombs law as a straightforward k then the equation giving the speed of light would be a bit busier( with its 4 pi) and arguably less elegant.Expressing the constant with the 4 pi just works out easier for the majority(not all) of the problems we do.
 

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