Unravelling the Mystery of Higgs boson and Light Particles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Higgs boson and its relationship with mass, particularly focusing on the behavior of light particles (photons) in different mediums. Participants explore concepts from the standard model of particle physics, the Higgs field, and the propagation of light in materials versus a vacuum.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the Higgs boson is responsible for giving mass to particles when they interact with the Higgs field, while photons do not acquire mass and thus travel at the speed of light.
  • Another participant clarifies that the Higgs boson is not a part of atoms and emphasizes that the Higgs field is responsible for mass, not the particle itself.
  • Concerns are raised about the slowing of light in water, with one participant asserting that this phenomenon is unrelated to the Higgs field and is instead due to electromagnetic waves interacting with the material.
  • Another participant elaborates that photons do not slow down; rather, their group velocity is affected by scattering interactions with atoms in the medium.
  • One participant notes that discussing the mass-giving properties of the Higgs field requires a specific background in mathematics and physics, suggesting that the concepts are complex and not easily conveyed without technical language.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the role of the Higgs field in the behavior of light in different mediums. While some assert that the Higgs field is irrelevant to the slowing of light, others suggest that understanding the Higgs field's role requires advanced knowledge, indicating a lack of consensus on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the mathematics involved in explaining the Higgs field and its implications for mass, which may limit the clarity of the discussion for those without a strong background in the subject.

Swetha.M.L
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from a malayalam language newspaper i read about Higgsboson that is according to standard model the Higgsboson is the piece of the atom that endows all the other piece with their mass. when electrons,quarks,etc are associated with higgs field they get mass. the light particle called photons have no mass bcoz it didnt associated with higgs field. so they move @Speed of light. but when light entered to a medium such as water its speed reduced to 3by4 th of speed at vacuum. why? is that due to the light particle associated with higgs field?
 
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The Higgs boson is not a part of atoms.

The Higgs field (not the particle) is responsible for the mass of particles, but it is not a part of it.

Swetha.M.L said:
but when light entered to a medium such as water its speed reduced to 3by4 th of speed at vacuum. why? is that due to the light particle associated with higgs field?
This has nothing to do with the Higgs. The best explanations are formulas, but those need a lot of quantum mechanics to understand them. There are multiple simplified models to give some idea how it works, all of them are problematic in some way. The main idea is always the same: the electromagnetic waves interact with the material, which leads to a slower propagation.
 
No, it's because the light effectively scatters off atoms in the material delaying its progress
 
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Photons when entering water, don't get slowed down. They are interacting with the matterial, scattering off it, such that the Electromagnetic wave's (light's) group velocity gets slowed down. The photons (massless) travel at c everywhere , and light travels at c in vacuum. So nothing to do with the Higgs field.

As for the mass-giving of Higgs, if you don't have the appropriate background it'd be fruitless to try and discuss this. The thing is that mathematics do give a result which cannot be translated in an exact analogy in english language (at least not without using technical terms). It's more like that you have a constant field everywhere which ends up interacting with all the known massive particles except for one in the case of the Weinberg-Salam-Glashow model, which we associate to the photon.
 

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