Unravelling the Mystery of the (0,3) Symmetric Tensor

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The discussion revolves around the properties and decomposition of a (0,3) symmetric tensor, particularly focusing on the relationship between its symmetric and antisymmetric components. Participants explore the implications of this decomposition and seek to generalize the concept.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the decomposition of a (0,3) tensor into symmetric and antisymmetric parts, questioning if the equality involving the average of permutations holds.
  • A later reply acknowledges that the initial statement about every tensor being expressible as a symmetric plus antisymmetric part does not hold for every pair of indices, prompting a search for a generalized relation.
  • Another participant suggests that while the decomposition is useful, it is fundamentally trivial arithmetic, implying limited scope for generalization.
  • In contrast, another participant argues that the idea is significant, referencing the properties of hyperbolic functions and the interaction between symmetric and antisymmetric tensors, and inquires about the possibility of splitting an arbitrary tensor into these two parts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the significance of the decomposition or its generalizability. Some view it as trivial, while others see it as an important concept with potential applications.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the validity of specific tensor decompositions and the conditions under which they apply. There is also a lack of clarity on how to generalize the relationships between symmetric and antisymmetric components.

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I am a bit confused by this observation.
Every tensor is it's symmetric plus antisymmetric part.

Thus for the components of a (0,3) tensor

[tex]F_{\lambda\mu\nu}=F_{[\lambda\mu\nu]}+F_{\{\lambda\mu\nu\}}[/tex]

and if I write this down explicitly I end up that for the components of ANY (0,3) tensor

[tex]F_{\lambda\mu\nu}=(1/3)(F_{\lambda\mu\nu} +F_{\mu\nu\lambda}+F_{\nu\lambda\mu} )[/tex]

Huh? Does this indeed hold?
 
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I am replying to my self since I searched around a bit and the statement
Every tensor is it's symmetric plus antisymmetric part

holds for every pair of indices not generally. So now I know that the last equality I wrote does not hold but still, is there any way to generalize this idea? I mean, please correct me if I am wrong but we have

[tex]F_{\lambda\mu}=F_{[\lambda\mu]}+F_{\{\lambda\mu\}}[/tex]
[tex]F_{\lambda\mu\nu}=F_{[\lambda\mu]\nu}+F_{\{\lambda\mu\}\nu}[/tex]

how about a relation between [tex]F_{\lambda\mu\nu}[/tex] ,[tex]F_{\{\lambda\mu\nu\}}[/tex] and [tex]F_{[\lambda\mu\nu]}[/tex]??
 
It is a useful idea, because symmetric and antisymmetric tensors each have useful properties, but the decomposition is basically trivial arithmetic, i.e.

a = (a+b)/2 + (a-b)/2
b = (a+b)/2 - (a-b)/2

I don't think there is much to generalize about that.
 
I know how to work it out . It is surely not a trivial idea, the symmetric and antisymmetric parts of the exponential function in the reals are the hyberbolic functions cosh and sinh which make the splitting idea quite important. Also by the property that a totally symmetric tensor contracted with a totally antisymmetric one gives nul I am just wondering, is there any way to split an arbitrary tensor in two additive parts the symmetric and antisymmetric one? I
 

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