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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of neutrinos arriving before light during a supernova event, exploring the mechanisms behind this timing and the implications of neutrino emission in the context of core-collapse supernovae.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express curiosity about the timing of neutrino and light emissions during a supernova, questioning why neutrinos arrive slightly before the light.
  • One participant suggests that the mechanism of the supernova may allow neutrinos to be released before the visible explosion occurs.
  • Another participant explains that while the shock wave takes time to reach the outer layers of the star, neutrinos are emitted almost immediately at the speed of light, with a significant portion of the energy escaping as neutrinos rather than light.
  • It is noted that photons interact strongly with the outer layers of the star, which delays their escape compared to neutrinos.
  • One participant mentions the neutronization phase as the point when neutrinos are released, while light and antineutrinos take longer due to the decay of short-lived nuclei.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mechanism of neutrino emission occurring before light, but there are nuances in understanding the processes involved, and the discussion remains exploratory without a definitive consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the interaction of photons with the star's outer layers and the time it takes for energy generated in the Sun's core to reach its surface, indicating potential complexities in the mechanisms discussed.

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Sorry for the question, but why will the Neutrinos arrive slightly before the light from the supernova?
 
berkeman said:
Sorry for the question, but why will the Neutrinos arrive slightly before the light from the supernova?
Does seem backwards, doesn't it. Perhaps the mechanism of the supernova releases neutrinos before the visible explosion (implosion?) occurs?
 
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berkeman said:
Sorry for the question, but why will the Neutrinos arrive slightly before the light from the supernova?
The answer is in the text of the linked article.

Although the shock wave can take many hours to make it through the outer layers of the star and to become visible, neutrinos come out right away, practically at the speed of light. More than 99% of the energy from a core-collapse supernova escapes not as light, but as neutrinos.
Photons interact strongly with the ions and free electrons in the outer layers of the star, but neutrinos don't.

I recall reading previously that it can take years for em energy generated in our Sun's core to reach the surface.
 
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berkeman said:
why will the Neutrinos arrive slightly before the light from the supernova?
Neutrinos come at the start - the neutronization phase. Light, and for that matter, antineutrinos, come over a longer period as short-lived nuclei decay.
 
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