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The discussion revolves around the process of downgrading from Ubuntu 18 to Ubuntu 14.04.5, particularly in the context of running specific CFD software (OpenFOAM) that requires an older version of the operating system. Participants explore various installation methods and the implications of such a downgrade.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on how to downgrade from Ubuntu 18 to 14.04.5, questioning whether they need to uninstall Ubuntu and reinstall Windows first.
  • Another participant notes that Ubuntu 14.04.5's support expired in April 2019, prompting questions about the rationale for the downgrade.
  • A participant explains that the downgrade is necessary for compatibility with a specific component of OpenFOAM that only runs on older versions of Ubuntu.
  • There are suggestions to run Ubuntu 14.04.5 in a virtual machine using VirtualBox, although one participant expresses concerns about performance issues with this approach.
  • Participants discuss the process of using a bootable USB drive or external hard drive to install Ubuntu, with questions about making the drive bootable and BIOS settings.
  • Concerns are raised about potential new problems that might arise from downgrading to Ubuntu 14.04.5.
  • One participant mentions difficulties with a specific OpenFOAM package and suggests that issues may not be solely related to the Ubuntu version but could involve the installation method of OpenFOAM.
  • Another participant highlights the need for proper build tools and compilers when working with source files for OpenFOAM.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of downgrading to Ubuntu 14.04.5, with some supporting the idea based on software compatibility and others cautioning against potential issues that may arise from such a downgrade. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various methods for installation and the importance of ensuring that the correct version of OpenFOAM is installed. There are unresolved questions regarding the specific requirements for running OpenFOAM on different Ubuntu versions, as well as the need for additional software tools.

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Hi PF!

I'm trying to switch to Ubuntu 14.04.5. Currently I am running Ubuntu 18. How do you recommend I do this; do I have to uninstall Ubuntu, reinstall Windows, and then go to 14?
 
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joshmccraney said:
I'm trying to switch to Ubuntu 14.04.5

Is there a particular reason why you want to go back this far? This version's support period expired in April 2019.

joshmccraney said:
do I have to uninstall Ubuntu, reinstall Windows, and then go to 14?

If you have all your data backed up on separate media, you can just run the Ubuntu installer from CD/DVD (or USB stick if you have one) and tell it to reformat your hard drive. That will erase whatever you currently have installed.
 
Thanks for replying PeterDonis!

PeterDonis said:
Is there a particular reason why you want to go back this far?
Yea, I'm running a CFD software called OpenFOAM and a particular component only works on an older version of the software, which only runs on an older version of Ubuntu.
PeterDonis said:
If you have all your data backed up on separate media, you can just run the Ubuntu installer from CD/DVD (or USB stick if you have one) and tell it to reformat your hard drive. That will erase whatever you currently have installed.
Can you elaborate here (I'm not too great with computers). How do I tell it to reformulate the HD? When I first installed Ubuntu I did it from the previous Windows that the computer was running. But I'm unsure how to do this from Ubuntu.
 
joshmccraney said:
I'm running a CFD software called OpenFOAM and a particular component only works on an older version of the software, which only runs on an older version of Ubuntu

Have you considered running the older version of Ubuntu inside a virtual machine? Virtualbox will do that. You can install virtualbox from the Ubuntu 18 package manager, and then run it and install Ubuntu 14 in a virtual machine.

joshmccraney said:
How do I tell it to reformulate the HD?

If you boot the computer from the Ubuntu install CD/DVD, and it detects an existing installation on your hard drive, it will give you several options, one of which will be something like "Erase disk and install Ubuntu". That's the one to choose if you want to reformat the hard drive. Note that this will erase everything that's currently on your hard drive, including your existing Ubuntu 18 installation.

joshmccraney said:
When I first installed Ubuntu I did it from the previous Windows that the computer was running.

How did you do that? Did you boot the computer from an Ubuntu install CD/DVD? Or something else?
 
PeterDonis said:
Have you considered running the older version of Ubuntu inside a virtual machine? Virtualbox will do that. You can install virtualbox from the Ubuntu 18 package manager, and then run it and install Ubuntu 14 in a virtual machine.
I thought about this a while ago, but the CFD software is very slow on a virtual machine.

PeterDonis said:
If you boot the computer from the Ubuntu install CD/DVD, and it detects an existing installation on your hard drive, it will give you several options, one of which will be something like "Erase disk and install Ubuntu". That's the one to choose if you want to reformat the hard drive. Note that this will erase everything that's currently on your hard drive, including your existing Ubuntu 18 installation.
I actually can't use a CD/DVD, though I have a thumbdrive that's worked before.

PeterDonis said:
How did you do that? Did you boot the computer from an Ubuntu install CD/DVD? Or something else?
I booted from an external HD. I had to formulate the HD so it was bootable (from Windows, which is what I was running) and then restarted the computer in a weird way. Does this sound familiar at all?
 
joshmccraney said:
I actually can't use a CD/DVD, though I have a thumbdrive that's worked before.

Ok, that would work the same as far as the installer goes.

joshmccraney said:
I booted from an external HD. I had to formulate the HD so it was bootable (from Windows, which is what I was running) and then restarted the computer in a weird way. Does this sound familiar at all?

I'm not sure. I've always used either a CD/DVD or a bootable USB drive and just booted the Ubuntu installer from that. (The Ubuntu installer is just a version of the appropriate Ubuntu system that boots from CD/DVD or USB stick, and then runs the installer program from the booted Ubuntu system.)

If the external HD is bootable and has Ubuntu on it, and it was connected to the computer by USB, it would be the same as booting from a USB drive.

You might also have had to make changes in your computer's BIOS or UEFI firmware when you booted from the external HD the first time. I don't know if that's what you mean by restarting "in a weird way". Did you reformat the computer's internal HD when you did this? Or do you boot from the external HD whenever you want to boot Ubuntu 18, and then just unplug the external HD and reboot in Windows?
 
I don't think I would do this, switching back to 14.04 might solve this problem, but it might create some new ones too!

What openFOAM package is causing the problem?
 
PeterDonis said:
Ok, that would work the same as far as the installer goes.
I'm not sure. I've always used either a CD/DVD or a bootable USB drive and just booted the Ubuntu installer from that. (The Ubuntu installer is just a version of the appropriate Ubuntu system that boots from CD/DVD or USB stick, and then runs the installer program from the booted Ubuntu system.)

If the external HD is bootable and has Ubuntu on it, and it was connected to the computer by USB, it would be the same as booting from a USB drive.

You might also have had to make changes in your computer's BIOS or UEFI firmware when you booted from the external HD the first time. I don't know if that's what you mean by restarting "in a weird way". Did you reformat the computer's internal HD when you did this? Or do you boot from the external HD whenever you want to boot Ubuntu 18, and then just unplug the external HD and reboot in Windows?
I've reformatted the internal HD, so it always boots as Ubuntu.

And I'll give it a whirl tomorrow (today is busy) and see if it works. Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it!
 
pbuk said:
I don't think I would do this, switching back to 14.04 might solve this problem, but it might create some new ones too!

What openFOAM package is causing the problem?
In the Dambreak tutorial, turning off gravity implies surface tension is dominant, and thus contact angles dictate flow. The build in alphaContactAngle contact angle models are aphysical. So I want to employ the Kistler contact angle model. But I'm having difficulty getting it to work on Ubuntu 18, but a recent lab graduate did it in Ubuntu 14.

I have the .C and .H files, but cannot seem to get FOAM to work with them.
 
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joshmccraney said:
So I want to employ the Kistler contact angle model. But I'm having difficulty getting it to work on Ubuntu 18, but a recent lab graduate did it in Ubuntu 14.
I am not sure that this has anything to do with Ubuntu versions, more likely the 'recent lab graduate' had installed the latest version of OpenFOAM from its own repository using the instructions at https://openfoam.org/download/7-ubuntu/. If you didn't do that and just did sudo apt install openfoam you will get a very old version.
 
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Jusy read through again; you only have the source files and even if OpenFOAM can deal with this it probably expects the gcc compiler and other build tools to be installed which they won't be on a new install. Are you getting any error messages that might point at the problem(s)?
 

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