Upon graduating high school, how long will it take to get a PhD in physics?

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The discussion revolves around the timeline and requirements for obtaining a PhD in physics, particularly focusing on the differences in educational pathways across various countries, including the US, Australia, and the UK. Participants explore the duration of undergraduate and PhD programs, as well as the potential for additional degrees like a master's.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a typical path in the US involves four years for a bachelor's degree followed by 5-7 years for a PhD.
  • Another participant describes the Australian system as four years for a bachelor's and 3-3.5 years for a PhD, with the possibility of an additional two years for a master's if undergraduate performance is lacking.
  • A participant claims that in Europe, a common path is four years for a bachelor's, two years for a master's, and 3-3.5 years for a PhD.
  • Contradicting the previous point, a participant asserts that in the UK, one can complete a bachelor's in three years and then proceed directly to a PhD for another 3-3.5 years, although a combined four-year MPhys degree is more common.
  • Another participant shares their experience, indicating that the average time for a PhD after a bachelor's is between 7 and 8 years, with some taking over 10 years.
  • One participant elaborates on the UK system, mentioning that while it is possible to start a PhD with just a bachelor's degree, it often leads to an extended duration due to required coursework, and that many universities are adopting a US-style graduate program structure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the duration and structure of PhD programs across various countries, indicating that there is no consensus on a single timeline or pathway. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to obtaining a PhD in physics.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight variations in educational systems and the potential for additional degrees, but do not resolve the implications of these differences on the overall timeline for obtaining a PhD.

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I am in my last year of high school and I want to get a PhD in theoretical physics. I'd like to focus on quantum mechanics. There is a lot of information I am missing and I am not really educated on this topic. I think it is best that I learn a bit now. One big thing on my mind is, how long will it take, and what does it involve?
 
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In the US, four years for a bachelor's degree, then usually 5-7 years for the Ph.D. There's a thread "pinned" near the top of this forum titled "So You Want to Become a Physicist" or something close to that, with more details.
 
In Australia, four years for a bachelors, 3-3.5 years for the PhD. If you don't do well in undergrad, add another two years in-between for a masters.

In Europe, this is similar. (4 BSc + 2 MSc + 3-3.5 PhD)

This is pretty near the minimum time, you can always take longer (double degree, a semester overseas, etc. etc.)
 
I wouldn't say that is correct in Europe. In the UK you can do 3 years undergrad and then go straight through to phd for another 3-3.5. It's just much more common to do a combined 4years MPhys undergraduate degree.

So realistically you could do it in 6 years in the UK.
 
At each of my institutions the average for a PhD after the BS is between 7 and 8 years. Some people do take more than that, some less. Some did take over 10 years for the PhD alone. So 3-5 for a BS and 5-10 for a PhD for a total of 8 to 15 years after high school.
 
supersam said:
In the UK you can do 3 years undergrad and then go straight through to phd for another 3-3.5. It's just much more common to do a combined 4years MPhys undergraduate degree.

So realistically you could do it in 6 years in the UK.

In theory yes, but it is becoming increasingly unusual. You can start a PhD with "only" bachelors degree (3 years), but the PhD then tends to be extended to four years (which isn't entirely easy to do) and you will have to spend a few months doing relevant coursework This was the case for one of my current PhD students.
Hence, the norm is very much that you first do a four year degree; and finding a "normal" PhD position is certainly easier if you have done so and also managed to complete a good MSc project.

The (important) exception is that many universities in the UK have started running "US style" graduate programs (Centres for Doctoral Training); these are 4 years with the first year being a MSc year (which can be a bit annoying if you have already done a four year degree)
 

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