Upper bound on the Inflation's e-foldings

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The discussion centers on the concept of e-foldings in inflationary theory, specifically addressing the question of whether there is an upper bound on the number of e-foldings required to resolve the flatness problem in cosmology. Participants explore theoretical implications and the role of potential shapes in determining the number of e-foldings.

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  • One participant questions why textbooks do not mention an upper bound for e-foldings in inflation theory, suggesting that certain temperature values constrain the e-foldings to around 60.
  • Another participant argues that the number of e-foldings supported by inflation is dependent on the potential, noting that very flat potentials can allow for a large number of e-foldings since the field does not roll far in a Hubble time.
  • A different participant emphasizes that the condition for flatness is more restrictive than initially presented, suggesting that flatness should be considered over the observable universe rather than the entire universe, which may not impose limits on the initial time of inflation.
  • This participant also introduces the idea that there exists a time during inflation where the scale factor and Hubble parameter must satisfy certain conditions to ensure flatness, indicating that the details of the inflation model could influence observable perturbations.
  • Another participant expresses appreciation for the previous reply, indicating engagement with the technical aspects of the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the existence and implications of an upper bound on e-foldings, with some arguing for constraints based on temperature values and others suggesting that the potential shape plays a more significant role. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact limits on e-foldings.

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Participants note that the discussion involves complex dependencies on the inflation model and the specifics of observable universe scales, which may not be fully addressed in the initial claims.

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It is not clear to me, why textbooks do not mention an upper bound for the e-foldings of the basic inflation theory.

To my knowledge, in order to deal with the flatness problem, we require:

\frac{Ω^{-1}(t_0)-1}{Ω^{-1}(t_i)-1} = \frac{Ω^{-1}(t_0)-1}{Ω^{-1}(t_e)-1} \frac{Ω^{-1}(t_e)-1}{Ω^{-1}(t_i)-1} = \left( \frac{a(t_i)}{a(t_e)} \right)^2 \left[ \left( \frac{T_{eq}}{T_0} \right) \left( \frac{T_e}{T_{eq}} \right)^2 \right] ≈ 1

where 0, i, e, eq are the indices, which denote respectively the current time, the beginning of the inflation, the ending of the inflation (GUT scale) and the time of radiation/matter equality. The values T_0 ≈ 10^{-13}GeV, T_{eq} ≈ 10^{-9}GeV are more or less "certain" and the value for T_e is constrained and considered to be at the GUT scale (~ 10^{15}GeV). As a result, we get a constraint for \frac{a(t_i)}{a(t_e)} and using the above values, we get: \frac{a(t_i)}{a(t_e)} ≈ 10^{-52}, which corresponds to the classical 60 e-foldings.

Prof. Susskind states here:

that 1000 e-foldings could work equally well. I cannot understand, why this is the case, since T_e cannot get any arbitrary values.
 
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The number of efolds supported by inflation depends on the potential. Very flat potentials can support lots and lots of inflation, because the field does not roll very far in a Hubble time.
 
Trifis said:
It is not clear to me, why textbooks do not mention an upper bound for the e-foldings of the basic inflation theory.

To my knowledge, in order to deal with the flatness problem, we require:

\frac{Ω^{-1}(t_0)-1}{Ω^{-1}(t_i)-1} = \frac{Ω^{-1}(t_0)-1}{Ω^{-1}(t_e)-1} \frac{Ω^{-1}(t_e)-1}{Ω^{-1}(t_i)-1} = \left( \frac{a(t_i)}{a(t_e)} \right)^2 \left[ \left( \frac{T_{eq}}{T_0} \right) \left( \frac{T_e}{T_{eq}} \right)^2 \right] ≈ 1

where 0, i, e, eq are the indices, which denote respectively the current time, the beginning of the inflation, the ending of the inflation (GUT scale) and the time of radiation/matter equality. The values T_0 ≈ 10^{-13}GeV, T_{eq} ≈ 10^{-9}GeV are more or less "certain" and the value for T_e is constrained and considered to be at the GUT scale (~ 10^{15}GeV). As a result, we get a constraint for \frac{a(t_i)}{a(t_e)} and using the above values, we get: \frac{a(t_i)}{a(t_e)} ≈ 10^{-52}, which corresponds to the classical 60 e-foldings.

The condition that you write is actually far more restrictive than what is required. As discussed in, e.g., Liddle and Leach, we should really require flatness over the observable universe, which means roughly over the comoving scale ##k_\text{hor} = a_0 H_0##, which is the proper distance to the particle horizon. Whether or not the total universe is flat over longer scales is completely irrelevant to us.

In practice, what this means is that if we trace the evolution of the universe backwards into the inflationary stage, then there is some time ##t_k## such that ##t_i< t_k < t_e## and ##a(t_k)H(t_k) = k_\text{hor}## (see fig 1 in the cited paper for a clear picture). Whatever the curvature of the universe was at ##t=t_k##, we need enough e-foldings ##e^{N_k} = a_e/a_k## by the end of inflation in order to wash it away. So we should really be considering

$$ \frac{Ω^{-1}(t_0)-1}{Ω^{-1}(t_k)-1}\approx 1$$

or similar quantities.

Whatever was happening during ##t_i \rightarrow t_k## depends on the details of the inflation model and might influence observable perturbations, but flatness does not put a limit on ##t_i## by itself.
 
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