USA Presidential Debate #2 Observations

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'Guess I'll start the thread for this one. (I didn't notice an existing thread for this yet.)

(Using Greg Bernhardt's 1st debate post as a template):
Use this thread for commentary on the 2nd Presidential Debate (United States). It starts at 9PM EDT Oct 16th. Please keep debate of issues to a minimum and focus on observations relevant to the debate.

Have a nice day :)​

I'll be watching it streaming. I'm guessing that it will be from here http://abcnews.go.com/live or can at least be found from there when the time comes.
 
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There has been some interesting discussion of the moderator's [intended] conduct:
All is fair in a presidential debate, especially for the moderator.
Candy Crowley, CNN’s chief political correspondent and tonight’s town hall debate moderator, has made it known that she will dispense with the rules about asking her own questions and interject whenever she sees fit.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/candy-crowley-to-bend-rules-at-presidential-debate/

Must say I agree with her. If the moderator can't challenge the debaters to stay on point, you may as well just hire a trained monkey with a stopwatch to do the job.
 
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Romney is working hard to politicize the Libya issue. And, Hilary's statement today added a new twist to the whole issue. It will be interesting if Romney or audiences brings this up during the debate.

Romney doesn't have any strong and clear foreign policies so only place where he hopes to beat Obama in foreign issues is Libya. As for Iran, both Romney and Ryan just don't have enough facts.
 
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There has been some interesting discussion of the moderator's [intended] conduct: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/candy-crowley-to-bend-rules-at-presidential-debate/

Must say I agree with her. If the moderator can't challenge the debaters to stay on point, you may as well just hire a trained monkey with a stopwatch to do the job.
I thought the problem both Romney and Obama campaigns have is that this is a "town meeting" where the questions come from the "undecided" voters in the audience and not from the moderator. So it really depends on what she does, asking for clarification is fine, it actually should be done, asking a different question is not.
 
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I thought the problem both Romney and Obama campaigns have is that this is a "town meeting" where the questions come from the "undecided" voters in the audience and not from the moderator. So it really depends on what she does, asking for clarification is fine, it actually should be done, asking a different question is not.
The way she describes it, it is about asking for clarification, ie if they don't answer the question. Certainly bias can always come into play, which is probably the reason for the rule.
 
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I can hardly wait. :smile:

I'm going to watch the debate tonight in my office, streaming online. These are the snacks I'm preparing (I have access to a microwave):
  • 1 tuna salad on wheat sandwich.
  • 1 ramen noodle soup serving.
  • 1 small, unopened bag of barbecue potato chips (optional).
  • 1 additional ramen noodle soup serving, "just 'cause it's come to that."
  • 1 microwavable, presidential burrito.
And, in the spirit of tradition, I have managed to scrounge up the following soft, non-destructive projectiles. They are sitting at arm's reach, ready to hurl at the screen whenever necessary:
  • Balled up socks
  • Miniature, foam football* (American football style--similar in shape to a rugby football if you're not familiar)
  • Beer cozy*
  • Whiteboard eraser
  • Two sets of ramen noodle soup packaging
  • Fluffy, cat toy*
  • Baseball cap
  • Small, unopened bag of barbecue potato chips (optional)
*(!?! What in the world are these objects doing in my office?)
 
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I have a spicy chimichanga and potato chips.

Beverage: Fresca and vodka

Oh, things to throw, good idea! I have socks.
 
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I need bricks!
 
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I wish I am at home right now watching the debate, but I'm still working.
Guess I have to watch it later. Hopefully there will be a video of the whole debate later tonight so I can watch it when I get home.
 
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Still in progress, Greg.
 
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I missed the Libya question, so far Romney's been on the defensive, Obama owns this debate. Romney didn't even answer the first few questions. On the second question, Romney's voice was actually cracking from nerves, although he did later regain his composure, he continues to talk over the moderator and disregard new questions to harp on the previous ones. He comes across as flustered.

Ack, now Obama tried Romney's tactic. I don't like it.
 
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Still in progress, Greg.
That was fun. Lots of drama there. Obama called it offensive that Romney accused him of playing politics, but he accused Romney first.
 
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They both seem to be stumbling over guns topic :devil:
 
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This was more entertaining to watch than the first. Good to see Obama was awake for this one.
 
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Amazing that this close to the election Romney didn't have an answer for the first question. Obama clearly laid out a 5 step plan.
 
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Amazing that this close to the election Romney didn't have an answer for the first question. Obama clearly laid out a 5 step plan.
What was the first question?
 
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Wow. That Libya question was tense, the way Obama stared down Romney like he was starring at a child doing something horribly wrong.

I dunno, I don't like Romney's policies but I do like his strength and composure. Although he did deflect his tax stance which was an issue with me. Did anyone else catch that?
 
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Moderator: "So what do you have to say about this issue Gov. Romney"?
Romney: "I will ignore your question and talking about something completely irrelevant!"
 
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What was the first question?
The first question was from the college student asking about job prospects.

Transcript here

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82484.html?hp=t1_b1

QUESTION: Mr. President, Governor Romney, as a 20-year-old college student, all I hear from professors, neighbors and others is that when I graduate, I will have little chance to get employment. What can you say to reassure me, but more importantly my parents, that I will be able to sufficiently support myself after I graduate?

ROMNEY: 2014. When you come out in 2014, I presume I'm going to be president. I'm going to make sure you get a job. Thanks Jeremy. Yeah, you bet.
 
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I sort of felt Romney had to knock back the president's comment and he obviously destroyed Obama on the 4 year's point, although I don't agree with him. That was one point I immediately gave to Romney.

I did not like how either candidate answered the gun question. "Gang bangers", "we need two parents in the home," and, "education"? Are you serious?

Me: Assault weapons, shotguns, non-hunting rifles, all banned, banned, banned.

Clean cole? What is this? These two candidates obviously vying for that energy company money, "oh no, no, trust me, I am good for the energy companies".

The pipeline? What is this nonsense?!

Obama in my opinion won this debate, but these two candidates did some *** kissing to the NRA (Obama, who cares? The NRA has not donated one cent to your campaign, and those who have guns more than likely aren't voting for you. So, why do you keep kissing their ***?). Romney keeping to that moderate look with just a month away, lol.

Like I can be convinced he cares for the 100%. "I care for the 100% because I believe in God"?
 
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Wow, local news poll here, 99% said Obama won and we're a red state!
 
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I did not like how either candidate answered the gun question. "Gang bangers", "we need two parents in the home," and, "education"? Are you serious?
It's a tough question to answer, my family is a family where hunting is a really important thing and so I sympathize with gun-lovers.

I think Obama got it spot on when he said that the more important issue is to nail down the causes of the horrible gang violence and gun-related murders. Obama could have won that question had he pushed through (or tried to push through) legislation explicitly in support of that point. Because he didn't, and Romney pointed that out, I'd say that question was a tie.

Edit: Just to clarify, I do support restrictions on all serious guns other than hunting in controlled arenas, but I didn't have a serious expectation that Obama would lean too far to that side.
 

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