Usa Und grad admissn without sat?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of obtaining undergraduate admission to universities in the USA without submitting SAT scores, particularly for international students. Participants explore the policies of different schools regarding standardized testing requirements, including the SAT and TOEFL.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that it may be possible to gain admission without the SAT at certain schools, but this varies by institution.
  • Others argue that schools typically set their own policies regarding admissions, and many require standardized tests for both domestic and international students.
  • A participant mentions that they have only heard of one school that waives the SAT or ACT requirement, and this waiver is limited to a small group of applicants with exceptional high school performance.
  • Another viewpoint is that foreign applicants are unlikely to receive waivers for standardized tests, as these tests provide a means to assess the comparability of their educational backgrounds to those of domestic applicants.
  • One participant shares their experience of having the TOEFL requirement waived due to their high school attendance in the US, suggesting that some schools may have flexible policies regarding the TOEFL based on SAT performance.
  • There is a claim that the verbal section of the SAT is significantly more challenging than the TOEFL, which raises questions about the necessity of both tests.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of the SAT for international students, with no consensus reached on whether it is universally required or if waivers are possible.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the variability of admissions policies across different institutions and the lack of clarity on specific criteria for waivers related to standardized testing.

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Is it possible to get undergraduate admission in usa without sat? Mejor Physics. I can try to get good TOFEL score that's not the problem.But SAT?
 
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SuperStringboy said:
Is it possible to get undergraduate admission in usa without sat?

At some schools, this might be possible. But each school decides its own policy about admitting students in general, including international students, so you have to check their Web sites or ask their admissions office. I think it is likely that if a school requires the SAT or ACT for students from the USA, they will also require it for international students. The school where I teach does require either the SAT or ACT, for everybody.
 
I've only heard of one school in the US that doesn't require either an SAT or ACT, and they only waive the requirement for a very limited group of applicants with top-notch high school scores that they think is a better indicator than an SAT of their potential. I don't think any school would waive the requirement for a foreign applicant, simply because there is no other way to determine if your educational background will be comparable to that of students applying from within the US without a standardized test for comparison. So, you will need both an SAT (or ACT) and TOEFL for admission.
 
Some schools waive the TOEFL requirement, if you get a good score on verbal section of SAT, or you have attended to high school in US. I got my TOEFL waivered since I went to high school here. In my opinion, TOEFL is pointless if you have to take the SAT - everybody knows that the verbal section of SAT is 2948129489182491894 times harder than TOEFL.
 

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