Use implicit differentiation to find dy/dx [Answer check]

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The discussion revolves around using implicit differentiation to find \(\frac{dy}{dx}\) for the equation \(xy^{2} - yx^{2} = 3xy\). Participants are attempting to differentiate both sides of the equation while addressing potential mistakes in their calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are sharing their attempts at differentiating the equation, with some expressing uncertainty about their methods and results. Questions arise regarding the application of the product rule and the differentiation of both sides of the equation. There is also discussion about the validity of canceling terms in their expressions.

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Several participants have provided feedback on each other's attempts, pointing out mistakes and suggesting corrections. There is a collaborative effort to clarify the differentiation process, though no consensus on a final answer has been reached.

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Some participants note the importance of applying the product rule correctly and differentiating both sides of the equation, indicating a focus on understanding the underlying principles of implicit differentiation.

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Use implicit differentiation to find [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] for xy[tex]^{2}[/tex] – yx[tex]^{2}[/tex] = 3xy

i've answered the question but i think I'm doing it wrong
any help is appreciated!

x(2y)[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] – y(2x) = 3xy
2xy [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] – 2yx = 3xy
2xy[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] = 5xy
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{5xy}{2xy}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] = 3xy

Thank you!
 
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Your first line is the mistake. You forgot to differentiate the other term on the left.
 
Ok I'm not sure if I've done any better this time but here it goes:

x(2y)[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] - y(2x)[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] = 3xy

2xy[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] - 2yx[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] = 3xy

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] (2xy - 2yx) = 3xy

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{3xy}{2xy - 2yx}[/tex]

i'm not sure if the 2xy and 2yx would cancel each other out but it made more sense then dividing by a zero!
thank you
 
lamerali said:
Ok I'm not sure if I've done any better this time but here it goes:

x(2y)[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] - y(2x)[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] = 3xy

2xy[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] - 2yx[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] = 3xy

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] (2xy - 2yx) = 3xy

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{3xy}{2xy - 2yx}[/tex]

i'm not sure if the 2xy and 2yx would cancel each other out but it made more sense then dividing by a zero!
thank you

You didnt take Defenner's advice; When you differentiate one side of the equals sign, you need to also differentiate the other side. So you need to differentiate the 3xy part too.

Also, be careful how you are differentiating xy2 for example. You need to remember that xy2 is the product of two functions, x and y2. You need to use the product rule.
 
Alright...i THINK i got it...lets see

y[tex]^{2}[/tex] + x(2y) [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] - x[tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] - y(2x) = 3y + 3x [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex]

x(2y)[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] - x[tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] - 3x [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] = 3y - y[tex]^{2}[/tex] + y(2x)

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] (2yx - x[tex]^{2}[/tex] - 3x) = 3y - y[tex]^{2}[/tex] + 2xy

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] = (3y - y^2) / (-x^2 - 3x)
am I getting any closer to a correct answer?
 
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You are getting there. But you can't 'cancel' the 2xy from numerator and denominator, can you? Back up one line and try again.
 
lamerali said:
Alright...i THINK i got it...lets see

y[tex]^{2}[/tex] + x(2y) [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] - x[tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] - y(2x) = 3y + 3x [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex]

x(2y)[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] - x[tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] - 3x [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] = 3y - y[tex]^{2}[/tex] + y(2x)

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] (2yx - x[tex]^{2}[/tex] - 3x) = 3y - y[tex]^{2}[/tex] + 2xy

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] = (3y - y^2) / (-x^2 - 3x)
am I getting any closer to a correct answer?

Where did the 2xy from both the numerator and denominator go in the last step? Other than that, looks alright to me.

Edit: Looks like Dick beat me to it :p
 
Ok great! i'll pop them back into the equation!
Thank you guys!
 
lamerali said:
Ok great! i'll pop them back into the equation!
Thank you guys!

Fine. As long as you understand why you can't cancel that way and promise not to do it again. (1+2)/(3+2)=3/5, but it turns into 1/3 if you 'cancel' the 2.
 
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I could not read your picture, so perhaps this is superfluous.

xy2 - x2y - 3xy = 0
dx/dx = 1
d/dx(xy2 - x2y - 3xy) = d0/dx = 0
y2 + 2xy(dy/dx) - 2xy - x2(dy/dx) - 3y - 3x(dy/dx)=0
y2 - 2xy - 3y = x2(dy/dx) + 3x(dy/dx) - 2xy(dy/dx)
dy/dx = (y2 - 2xy - 3y)/(x2 + 3x - 2xy)
 
  • #11
Dick said:
As long as you understand why you can't cancel that way and promise not to do it again.


I understand :biggrin: Thank you I promise I will try really hard not to do it again!
Take care =)
 
  • #12
lamerali said:
use implicit differentiation to find [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] for xy[tex]^{2}[/tex] – yx[tex]^{2}[/tex] = 3xy

i've answered the question but i think I'm doing it wrong
any help is appreciated!

X(2y)[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] – y(2x) = 3xy
2xy [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] – 2yx = 3xy
2xy[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] = 5xy
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{5xy}{2xy}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] = 3xy

thank you!


u forgot the use of product rule here...and therefore...your answer is wrong...!
 

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