Use the Jacobi identity to show Lie algebra structure constant id.

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The discussion revolves around using the Jacobi identity in the context of Lie algebras to demonstrate a specific relationship involving structure constants. The original poster presents the Jacobi identity and the definition of structure constants, seeking to understand how these relate to the identity involving the structure constants.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about the connection between the Jacobi identity and the structure constant identity. They question whether showing the Jacobi identity equals zero implies the structure constant identity is also zero.
  • Some participants suggest that the expression involving structure constants can be interpreted in terms of commutation relations, indicating a potential path forward.
  • There are inquiries about the application of bilinearity in the context of the commutation relations and how to effectively write out the reasoning without excessive notation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights into the relationships between the terms involved. There is a recognition of the need for clarity in the application of the Jacobi identity and the structure constants, and guidance has been offered regarding the manipulation of the expressions. However, there is no explicit consensus on the final outcome of the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes that they are working independently and emphasizes the enforcement of the Einstein convention in their calculations. This context may influence the assumptions and interpretations being discussed.

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Homework Statement


Use the Jacobi identity in the form
$$ \left[e_i, \left[e_j,e_k\right]\right] + \left[e_j, \left[e_k,e_i\right]\right] + \left[e_k, \left[e_i,e_j\right]\right] $$

and ## \left[e_i,e_j\right] = c^k_{ij}e_k ## to show that the structure constants ## c^k_{ij} ## satisfy the identity
$$ c^h_{im}c^m_{jk} + c^h_{km}c^m_{ij} + c^h_{jm}c^m_{ki} = 0 $$


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Not sure where to start with this one. Using the definition of the structure constant I can show the Jacobi identity equals zero, but does this imply the structure constant identity is equal to zero? I don't see it, if so. Anyway, still not homework, I'm doing this stuff by myself. Also, Einstein convention is enforced (as always).


Any advice for this would be better than the solution, I just started working on it today and moved on so I could sleep on it.

cheers.
 
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I see now, ##c^h_{im}c^m_{jk}## is really equivalent to ## \left [e_i,c^m_{jk}e_m\right]##. i suspect the following two follow suit. Still could use help on that commutation bit! Or any advice on how to write this one out without using an entire page of my legal pad.
 
pdxautodidact said:
I see now, ##c^h_{im}c^m_{jk}## is really equivalent to ## \left [e_i,c^m_{jk}e_m\right]##. i suspect the following two follow suit. Still could use help on that commutation bit! Or any advice on how to write this one out without using an entire page of my legal pad.

You are on the right track. Just note that ## \left [e_i,c^m_{jk}e_m\right]= c^m_{jk} \left [e_i,c^m_{jk}e_m\right]## and apply the expression for the commutator once again. If you do this for the other terms, you should find that the Jacobi identity is equivalent to the expression with the structure constants times a basis element ##e_h##. If you choose dummy indices consistently, it should just take a couple of lines to establish the result.
 
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fzero said:
You are on the right track. Just note that ## \left [e_i,c^m_{jk}e_m\right]= c^m_{jk} \left [e_i,c^m_{jk}e_m\right]## and apply the expression for the commutator once again. If you do this for the other terms, you should find that the Jacobi identity is equivalent to the expression with the structure constants times a basis element ##e_h##. If you choose dummy indices consistently, it should just take a couple of lines to establish the result.

Did you mean that ## c^m_{jk}\left[e_i,e_m\right] = [e_i,c^m_{jk}e_m]##?
Because of bilinearity? If so, thanks it's really easy, if not could you please explain?

cheers
 
pdxautodidact said:
Did you mean that ## c^m_{jk}\left[e_i,e_m\right] = [e_i,c^m_{jk}e_m]##?
Because of bilinearity? If so, thanks it's really easy, if not could you please explain?

cheers

Yes, I forgot to cut after I pasted. It is indeed because of the bilinearity of the Lie bracket.
 

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