Using accelerometer to detect moving/stationary at sea on a vessel

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of using accelerometers on vessels to determine whether they are moving or stationary at sea. Participants explore the effects of ocean waves on accelerometer readings and consider alternative methods for detecting movement without relying on GPS due to power constraints.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that accelerometers measure acceleration but cannot distinguish between being stationary or moving at a constant velocity, suggesting that integration of acceleration data could lead to inaccuracies over time.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the feasibility of using accelerometers for this purpose, proposing instead to listen for engine sounds as a potential indicator of movement.
  • A later reply mentions the use of Fourier Transform to analyze frequency data but finds no significant signals related to engine vibrations, indicating limitations in detecting movement through this method.
  • One participant references Galilean invariance to highlight the theoretical challenges of detecting motion on a vessel, suggesting that wave-induced oscillations may complicate readings.
  • There is a question raised about the general applicability of accelerometer-based applications at sea, such as detecting free fall or counting steps, due to the continuous changing accelerations.
  • Another participant suggests that applications relying on a threshold magnitude of acceleration might still be viable despite the challenges posed by ocean conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of accelerometers for detecting movement on vessels, with some suggesting alternative methods and others questioning the feasibility of the approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to achieve the desired detection.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the integration of acceleration data and the influence of ocean waves on readings, as well as the potential impact of accelerometer mounting on performance.

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Hi,

Does anyone has experience using accelerometer on a ship/vessel to detect whether the vessel is moving or stationary?

The difficult part is that I took some samples at 6Hz and found that all X/Y/Z axes have accelerations going positive and negative. The pattern is exactly the same when the vessel is moving and stationary. I suppose these are caused by ocean waves.

The reason that I have to use an accelerometer to detect movements on a vessel is that my device (a custom embedded system) goes into sleep/hibernation most of the time to save power and it only wakes up to perform some tasks after it detected movements. GPS consumes too much power and therefore it can't be powered on all the time.

Actually I do not need to measure the speed, direction or position, all I need is to identify whether the ship/vessel is moving or stationary at sea. Accelerometer works fine on land, but not at sea probably due to the random ocean waves.

I have also considered using a gyroscope, however, it is too expensive.

Any suggestions?
 
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The accelerometer will only measure acceleration, it cannot tell the difference between being stationary with respect to the Earth or moving at a constant velocity. You can integrate the acceleration data to obtain velocity information, but it will likely become inaccurate over time.
 
Waterfox said:
The accelerometer will only measure acceleration, it cannot tell the difference between being stationary with respect to the Earth or moving at a constant velocity. You can integrate the acceleration data to obtain velocity information, but will it will become more inaccurate over time.

Thanks.

I suppose when the ship/vessel is moving at sea, it must accelerate and decelerate slightly and continually. I am trying to spot the difference between moving and stationary.

Compare to a car moving on land, I can tell it is moving simply looking x, y and z accelerations going positive and negative due to bumpy roads.

Unfortunately, I cannot see any difference between a ship/vessel moving or stationary.
 
I'd say you've no chance. How about listening for the ship's engines?
 
haruspex said:
I'd say you've no chance. How about listening for the ship's engines?

I tried to do that by using Fourier Transform to look at the frequency domain. Unfortunately, no significant signals are found above 1Hz (typical vessel engine is around 100rpm), most signals are found under 1Hz.

It looks to me the accelerometer was unable to pick up the engine vibration.
 
Well, why do you think Galiloeo used a ship to explain Galilean invariance?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo's_ship

But in a less idealized case, maybe the directions and/or frequencies of the wave induced oscillations are different?
 
Facelook said:
I tried to do that by using Fourier Transform to look at the frequency domain. Unfortunately, no significant signals are found above 1Hz (typical vessel engine is around 100rpm), most signals are found under 1Hz.

It looks to me the accelerometer was unable to pick up the engine vibration.

OK, I wasn't necessarily thinking of an accelerometer as the detector of the sound, but I don't know what the alternatives are. OTOH, I imagine it would be important how the accelerometer is mounted. Need a diaphragm that would resonate at about the right frequency.
 
Thanks.

By the way, given the continuous changing accelerations in the 3 axes at sea, does that mean many accelerometer applications may not work well at sea on a vessel? For example, detecting free fall or counting steps.
 
Applications which depend on a threshold magnitude of acceleration might still work.
 

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