Using dihedral group in Lagrange theorem

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The discussion centers on the properties of the dihedral group D4, specifically its subgroup generated by elements c and d. It is established that the order of c is 4, denoted as ord(c)=4, which leads to the conclusion that c^4=e, where e is the identity element. Additionally, the inverse of c is defined as c^{-1}=c^3, confirming that c^3 is indeed the element that satisfies the equation c·c^{-1}=e. The confusion arises from the relationship between the elements of D4 and their inverses.

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i was given that
D4=[e,c,c2,c3,d,cd,c2d,c3d]
therfore D4=<c,d> is the subgroup of itself generated by c,d

then they defined properties of D4 as follows
ord(c)=d, ord(d)=2, dc=c-1d

i am strugging to understand how they got that c4=e=d2
 
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onie mti said:
i was given that
D4=[e,c,c2,c3,d,cd,c2d,c3d]
therfore D4=<c,d> is the subgroup of itself generated by c,d

then they defined properties of D4 as follows
ord(c)=d, ord(d)=2, dc=c-1d

i am strugging to understand how they got that c4=e=d2

You seem to have a typo.
It should be ord(c)=4.
That literally means that $c^4=e$ (and that all lower powers are different from $e$).

This can also be deduced from the group elements.
It contains $c^3$, but it does not contains $c^4$. Since as a group all powers of $c$ must be contained, $c^4$ must be one of the other elements. The only element that the axioms will allow is $e$.
 
Basically, the answer is "because the dihedral group is defined that way" :D
 
Is that ALL the information you are given about $D_4$? Because given ONLY that, I do not see how to distinguish it from $Q_8$ the group of quaternion units.
 
I like Serena said:
You seem to have a typo.
It should be ord(c)=4.
That literally means that $c^4=e$ (and that all lower powers are different from $e$).

This can also be deduced from the group elements.
It contains $c^3$, but it does not contains $c^4$. Since as a group all powers of $c$ must be contained, $c^4$ must be one of the other elements. The only element that the axioms will allow is $e$.

what you are saying kind of makes sense. you see what is confusing me the the group elements do not contain c-1 yet they sayn c-1 = c3 how so?

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Deveno said:
Is that ALL the information you are given about $D_4$? Because given ONLY that, I do not see how to distinguish it from $Q_8$ the group of quaternion units.

yes that is all i was given
 
onie mti said:
what you are saying kind of makes sense. you see what is confusing me the the group elements do not contain c-1 yet they sayn c-1 = c3 how so?

The inverse $c^{-1}$ is defined as the (unique) element that satisfies $c \cdot c^{-1} = e$.

Since $c \cdot c^3=c^4=e$ it follows that $c^{-1}=c^3$.
 

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