Using Euler's Formula to write a fraction in another form

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The discussion revolves around using Euler's Formula to manipulate and rewrite a fraction involving complex exponentials. Participants are exploring how to transition from one form of the equation to another while addressing various identities and simplifications related to trigonometric functions.

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  • Participants suggest multiplying terms to simplify the expression and consider using double-angle identities. There are discussions about the equivalence of the two equations presented and the potential mistakes in the manipulation of the terms.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem. Some have identified errors in the original poster's work and are encouraging further exploration of the relationships between the terms. There is a recognition of the complexity involved, and participants are attempting to clarify misunderstandings.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the manipulation of complex exponentials and trigonometric identities. Participants are also questioning the validity of certain steps taken in the problem-solving process, highlighting the need for careful consideration of each transformation.

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I'm trying to get from the top fraction to the bottom fraction:
$$u-iv=U_{\infty}\frac{e^{-i\alpha}-e^{i\alpha -2i\theta}+2i\sin(\alpha)e^{-i\theta}}{1-e^{-2i\theta}}$$
$$=U_{\infty}\left[\cos(\alpha)+\sin(\alpha)\frac{1-\cos(\theta)}{\sin(\theta)}\right]$$
Relevant Equations
$$e^{i\theta}=\cos(\theta)+i\sin(\theta)$$
$$e^{-i\theta}=\cos(\theta)-i\sin(\theta)$$
$$e^{2i\theta}=\frac{e^{i\theta}}{e^{-i\theta}}=\frac{\cos(\theta)+i\sin(\theta)}{\cos(\theta)-i\sin(\theta)}$$
Greetings.

I'm having a bit of difficulty with getting from the first to the second equation. I know some basic identities, but it all just feels like a mess. My approach was just going to be to write whatever I could, but some of the terms are confusing me.

$$e^{i\alpha-2i\theta}=\frac{e^{i\alpha}}{e^{2i\theta}}=e^{i\alpha}\div\left(\frac{e^{i\theta}}{e^{-i\theta}}\right)=\cos(\alpha)+i\sin(\alpha)\div\left(\frac{\cos(\theta)+i\sin(\theta)}{\cos(\theta)-i\sin(\theta)}\right)=\frac{(\cos(\alpha)+i\sin(\alpha))(\cos(\theta)-i\sin(\theta))}{\cos(\theta)+i\sin(\theta)}$$

$$e^{-2i\theta}=\frac{1}{e^{2i\theta}}=\frac{e^{-i\theta}}{e^{i\theta}}=\frac{\cos(\theta)-i\sin(\theta)}{\cos(\theta)+i\sin(\theta)}$$

Is this correct...? I think I could probably try again from here. Thank you
 
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Multiplying the numerator and denominator by ##e^{i\theta}## removes ##2\theta## from the equation, which makes converting to the bottom fraction easier. Alternatively, you could expand the exponential terms using Euler’s formula, then use double-angle identities to simplify.

Also, the two equations you gave don’t appear to be equivalent. Is this from a homework problem? When reducing the top equation I got something different from the bottom one.

Edit: ignore the second paragraph, I dropped a minus sign o_O
 
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As @suremarc writes, first step is to multiply top and bottom by ##e^{i\theta}##.
Next is to spot that two terms at the top collapse to something involving ##\sin(\theta-\alpha)##.
 
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Hello. Thanks for your replies, much appreciated. I tried again following your advice, and I couldn't eliminate ##2θ##. This is what I ended up with:
$$=U_{\infty}\frac{e^{i\theta+i\alpha}-e^{i\alpha-i\theta}+2\sin(\alpha)i}{e^{2i\theta}}$$

Well actually, this was one way of writing it. The other way was:
$$=U_{\infty}\frac{e^{i\theta+i\alpha}-e^{i\alpha}\cdot+\frac{1}{e^{i\theta}}2\sin(\alpha)i}{e^{2i\theta}}$$

I don't think I'm correct... and also, am I supposed to be writing each ##e## so it's on its own? If I can separate out each ##e##, then I can write it out in terms of ##\sin## and ##\cos##
 
WhiteWolf98 said:
Hello. Thanks for your replies, much appreciated. I tried again following your advice, and I couldn't eliminate ##2θ##. This is what I ended up with:
$$=U_{\infty}\frac{e^{i\theta+i\alpha}-e^{i\alpha-i\theta}+2\sin(\alpha)i}{e^{2i\theta}}$$
How did you get that denominator?

What do you get when you multiply ##\displaystyle (1-e^{-2i\theta} ) \cdot e^{i\theta} ## ?
 
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WhiteWolf98 said:
$$=U_{\infty}\frac{e^{i\theta+i\alpha}-e^{i\alpha-i\theta}+2\sin(\alpha)i}{e^{2i\theta}}$$
As @SammyS notes, your denominator is quite wrong, but also have a mistake in the numerator. In the original there was an ##e^{-i\alpha}## which seems to have turned into an ##e^{+i\alpha}##.
 
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SammyS said:
How did you get that denominator?

What do you get when you multiply ##\displaystyle (1-e^{-2i\theta} ) \cdot e^{i\theta} ## ?
I'll try write out how I got it as soon as I can. For now, when multiplying that out, I get ##e^{i\theta}-e^{-i\theta}##

haruspex said:
As @SammyS notes, your denominator is quite wrong, but also have a mistake in the numerator. In the original there was an ##e^{-i\alpha}## which seems to have turned into an ##e^{+i\alpha}##.

Ah, that is a mistake on my part. Though I don't suppose ##e^{i\theta-i\alpha}## would make it correct
 
WhiteWolf98 said:
I'll try write out how I got it as soon as I can. For now, when multiplying that out, I get ##e^{i\theta}-e^{-i\theta}##
Ah, that is a mistake on my part. Though I don't suppose ##e^{i\theta-i\alpha}## would make it correct
What's a way of writing ##e^{ix}-e^{-ix}## with trig functions?
Can you see how to get the ##e^{i\theta-i\alpha}## and the one like it into the same form?
 
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This is just not making any sense, sorry. I'll put all the steps I've done below.
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I feel like I'm just going in circles. And then for:
haruspex said:
What's a way of writing ##e^{ix}-e^{-ix}## with trig functions?
Can you see how to get the ##e^{i\theta-i\alpha}## and the one like it into the same form?
Depending on which way I do it, I get different answers... which is weird! I don't get it.
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Yeah, I don't know anymore, nothing is working
 
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WhiteWolf98 said:
This is just not making any sense, sorry. I'll put all the steps I've done below.
In your first block above, I do not understand how in the denominator you convert ##e^{i\theta}-e^{-i\theta}## to ##e^{2i\theta}##.
In your attempt to convert it to a trig function instead, second block, both attempts are correct. The final forms you have are equivalent, but using 2 sin x cos x = sin(2x) in the second attempt was not helpful. Use the result from the first attempt to replace ##e^{i\theta}-e^{-i\theta}## in the denominator.

The first two terms in the numerator form a pair of exactly the same pattern. Can you see that? So you can use the corresponding trig substitution.
 
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haruspex said:
In your first block above, I do not understand how in the denominator you convert ##e^{i\theta}-e^{-i\theta}## to ##e^{2i\theta}##.
Ohh, I see it, I see it. What a silly mistake, I can't just add them. Alright, I'll give it another go. Thank you
 
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Okay, I think I was able to do it. For the sake of completion, I'll put the rest of my solution here.

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I realize the substitution probably wasn't necessary, but I found it easier to do thinking about it that way.

Thank you very much everyone for all your help :)
 
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WhiteWolf98 said:
Okay, I think I was able to do it. For the sake of completion, I'll put the rest of my solution here.

View attachment 276798

I realize the substitution probably wasn't necessary, but I found it easier to do thinking about it that way.

Thank you very much everyone for all your help :)
Well done
 
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