Using Peng-Robison equation to deterimine fluid lost due to leak

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The discussion revolves around using the Peng-Robinson equation of state to determine the amount of fluid lost due to a leak in a container filled with methane. Participants explore the implications of initial and final conditions, including temperature and pressure, and how these affect the calculations of moles and fluid loss.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to calculate the moles of fluid lost without knowing the initial molar density, questioning the completeness of the problem statement.
  • Another participant suggests that the initial ratio of liquid to gas is not defined, which complicates the solution process.
  • A different participant proposes that the Peng-Robinson equation can be rearranged to avoid needing the molar density, indicating an alternative approach to the problem.
  • One participant discusses the implications of the critical temperature and pressure of methane, suggesting that the conditions indicate a supercritical state, which may render fluid level measurements irrelevant.
  • This participant further explains how to apply the Peng-Robinson equation to calculate the number of moles before and after the leak, emphasizing the use of the compressibility factor and the relationship between pressure, molar volume, and temperature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of knowing the initial ratio of liquid to gas and the relevance of fluid level measurements. There is no consensus on the best approach to solve the problem, and multiple perspectives on the application of the Peng-Robinson equation are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the problem statement, including the lack of information on the initial liquid-to-gas ratio and the implications of the supercritical state of methane on fluid measurements.

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Homework Statement



A container having a volume of 40 L contains one of the following fluids att the given initial conditions. After a leak, the temperature and pressure are remeasured. For each option, determine the kilograms of fluid lost due to the leak, using Peng_robinson equation.

methane T(initial) = 300 K, P(initial) = 100 bar T(final) = 300 K, P(final) = 50 bars

Homework Equations



The Peng robinson equation of state is written as:

Z = \frac{1}{1-bp} - \frac{a}{bRT}\frac{bp}{1+2bp - b^{2}*p^{2}}

The Attempt at a Solution



I know how to solve for a and b. If you find it necessary for me to show you this, i can. But I don't see the purpose. However p, which stands for molar density (n/V), I do not understand. Considering the whole point is to find the amount of moles lost, I can't see how this can be solved unless I know the moles in the tank.
 
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I do not understand how you can solve anything if in
the initial statement the initial ratio of liquid to gas is not defined.
 
You can just ignore this, there's actually another way for the equation to be rearranged so that you don't need to know the value of molar density.
 
I can see a practical reason why my earlier question on the level of fluid in the container was irrelevant. The critical temperature for methane is 190 K and the critical pressure is 45 bar. It would seem that the storing conditions you mentioned at 50 and 100 bar and 300 K define the enclosed methane to be in one uniform supercritical fluid state. A fluid level measurement could thus not be done I think.

Anyway, about the PR equation. I have thought a little bit about applying it to your question of the leak. On the left hand side of the equation Z, the compressibility factor is placed. It is defined as: Z = (pressure*molar volume)/(gasconstant*temperature) Molar volume V is equal to 1/p in the equation you have shown. a and b are gas constants for methane. Since you know gas temerature and pressure you can now solve the initial and final state eqations for the differing values of p. Combining it with the known volume gives you the number of moles for both states, with the leak the difference between the two amounts.

What do you think? I at least found it wonderfull to read and think about a state equation for methane!
 

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