Using the Einstein Equation to Solve Problems in GR

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The discussion centers on the application of the Einstein equation in general relativity (GR), specifically how physicists derive metrics from given energy-momentum tensors (EMTs) and the relationships between the Riemann tensor, metric, and their derivatives. Participants explore theoretical approaches, numerical methods, and specific examples related to solving the Einstein field equations (EFE).

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the process of deriving the metric from a given EMT using the Einstein equation.
  • Another participant notes that well-known solutions like the Schwarzschild metric are not derived from EMTs but rather from symmetry considerations, suggesting that the solutions are linked to spherical symmetry.
  • A participant asks if there exists a formula relating the Riemann tensor solely to the metric and its derivatives, and whether this could yield numerical solutions to the EFE.
  • Responses indicate that while the Riemann tensor is indeed related to the metric, simplifying the resulting expressions for practical use may be challenging.
  • One participant mentions a free math program, Maxima, which can assist in calculating GR tensors when provided with a metric.
  • Another participant describes a method involving frame fields to simplify solving the EFE, providing a specific Ansatz for a spherically symmetric scenario.
  • There is curiosity expressed about the form of the EFE when expressed in terms of just the metric and the stress-energy tensor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the derivation of metrics and the complexity of the EFE. There is no consensus on the simplification of equations or the best methods for solving the EFE, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of these topics.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the Einstein equations and the potential limitations of existing methods for deriving solutions. Some discussions involve assumptions about symmetry and the nature of the EMT, which may not apply universally.

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Hi, i have read a introduction book to general relativity and i want to ask a question: how do physicists use the Einstein equation to solve problems? I mean how can we, starting with a given energy-momentum tensor, find the metric? Thanks!
 
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The well-known solutions ( well known to me, that is ) were not derived by starting with a EMT and solving the Einstein field equations for the metric. The Schwarzschild metric has zero Ricci tensor and so represents a vacuum near a spherically symmetric, non-rotating source. The spacetime derives its properties from spherical symmetry alone. I highly recommend the English translation of Scharzschilds paper.

The basic cosmological solution is derived from the principles of homogeneity ( same to all observers) and isotropy ( no preferred direction). It is a happy accident that the Einstein tensor of this line element ( Robertson-Walker) turns out to describe a space filled with non-interacting, pressureless ( no collisions) dust. This leads to the Friedmann equations which link the expansion rate to the energy density, ( and look where that got us - Dark Matter ).

There are probably numerical methods available to solve the EFE, but it's doubtful whether closed algebraic solutions even exist for most general EMTs.
 
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Thank you!

I have another question: is there a formula in which the Riemann tensor is related only to the metric and its derivatives? if yes, can this equation give numerical solutions to EFE?
 
The Riemann tensor is only related to the metric and its derivatives. Isn't this in your book ?
[tex]R^{r}_{mqs} = \Gamma ^{r}_{mq,s}-\Gamma ^{r}_{ms,q}+\Gamma ^{r}_{ns}\Gamma ^{n}_{mq}-\Gamma ^{r}_{nq}\Gamma ^{n}_{ms}[/tex]
where
[tex]\Gamma^m_{ab}=\frac{1}{2}g^{mk}(g_{ak,b}+g_{bk,a}-g_{ab,k})[/tex]
The comma before an index indicates partial differentiation. The Ricci tensor is the contraction of the Riemann tensor on the first and third indices, and appears in the EFE.
 
These two equations are in the book and tried to get one equation that relates the Riemann tensor to the metric and its derivatives by replacing all gamma's in formula (1) by their expression (done in formula (2)) then contracting the first and the third indices to express the Ricci tensor in terms of the metric. I have been very careful with all indices rules and i got a long equation containing many terms. I did not found how to simplify it, so I'm asking if there is a "simple" form of this equation? And if yes, can we use it to solve numerically the EFE?
 
I can't see how the expression could be simplified.

I don't know enough about numerical relativity to answer your question. There ought to be information available on the internet, so a search would probably get something useful.
 
I'm afraid the equation doesn't become any simpler than that; The Einstein's equations are quite horrible to write down explicitly in terms of the metric.
 
ghc,

I forgot to mention that there's a very good free math program called Maxima, which runs on most OSs. It has a package called ctensor that can calculate most of the GR tensors, when given a metric. It also does frame calculations ( something you should investigate if you're not familiar with the concept ).

You can get Maxima and it's GUI interfaces xMaxima and wxMaxima here.
http://maxima.sourceforge.net/

Coming back to solving the EFE. I'm told by a correspondent who doesn't post here that the solution of the EFE is greatly simplified if you use the method of frame fields, aka "local Lorentz frames", aka "using Cartan's method of moving frames") . He gives a 'recipe' for this -

First, write down an frame Ansatz based upon assuming a combination of spacetime symmetry and what kind of motion you expect. For example, assume spherical symmetry and spherically symmetric collapse of spherical shells of test particles which our observers are riding on, a very simple frame Ansatz is:
[tex] <br /> \begin{array}{rcl}<br /> \vec{e}_1 & = & \partial_t - f \, \partial_r \\<br /> \vec{e}_2 & = & \partial_r \\<br /> \vec{e}_3 & = & \frac{1}{r} \, \partial_\theta \\<br /> \vec{e}_4 & = & \frac{1}{r \, \sin(\theta)} \, \partial_\phi<br /> \end{array}<br /> [/tex]
where f is an undetermined function of r only, saying the rate of falling toward the origin depends only on r. Note that this Ansatz also says that differences in the t coordinate correspond to elapsed proper time measured by any of our infalling observers.

Second, demand that the Einstein tensor as measured by these observers have a given form, say that of an nonnull electrovacuum appropriate for a radial electrostatic field
[tex] <br /> G^{ab} = \frac{q^2}{r^2} \, diag (1,-1,1,1)<br /> [/tex]
where q is the charge. The great thing about using frames is that tensors like the EM stress-energy tensor have exactly the same form and behave the same way under boosts and rotations at an event as in flat spacetime.

In this example, we find an ODE for f which is easily solved giving
[tex] <br /> f = \sqrt{ \frac{2m}{r} - \frac{q^2}{r^2} }<br /> [/tex]
If we had demanded instead that the stress-energy tensor be the sum of the previous EM term plus a Lambda term
[tex] <br /> G^{ab} = \frac{q^2}{r^2} \, diag (1,-1,1,1) + \frac{3}{R^2} \, diag \, (1,-1,-1,-1)<br /> [/tex]
we would have found
[tex] <br /> f = \sqrt{ \frac{2m}{r} - \frac{q^2}{r^2} + \frac{r^2}{R^2} }<br /> [/tex]

I haven't studied this myself yet, and I may have made mistakes in transcription.

M
 
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I've always wondered what the EFE looks like in terms of just the metric and the stress-energy tensor. Figured I might try it out when I have some free time :) Anybody want to give it a go and TeX it for our amusem--erm, edification?
 

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