Valid Method for Proving Matrix Equation with Independent Variables

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The discussion revolves around proving a matrix equation involving independent variables in the context of correlation between two processes, W1 and W2. The original poster presents a matrix equation derived from a problem and seeks to validate a transformation to another matrix form while questioning the assumptions made in the process.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster considers simplifying the problem by setting specific values for the variables and asks if this approach is valid. They also inquire about the necessity of finding a linear transformation to achieve the desired matrix form.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of not arbitrarily assigning values to the variables and suggests exploring the relationship between the matrices to derive the independent nature of the new variables.
  • Further clarification is sought on the implications of expressing W in terms of R and Z, with a focus on demonstrating the independence of Z's entries.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, particularly regarding the definitions of the variables and the conditions under which the independence of the new variables can be established. The original poster's assumptions about the values of sigma and the independence of Y1 and Y2 are under scrutiny.

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after a series of computations, I was able to get the following matrix equation from the given of a problem:

\[\left( \begin{array} {ccc} W_1 \\ W_2 \end{array} \right)\] = <br /> \[\left( \begin{array} {ccc} \frac{\sigma_{11}}{\sqrt{\sigma_{11}^2 + \sigma_{12}^2}} &amp; \frac{\sigma_{12}}{\sqrt{\sigma_{11}^2 + \sigma_{12}^2}} \\ \frac{\sigma_{21}}{\sqrt{\sigma_{21}^2 + \sigma_{22}^2}} &amp; \frac{\sigma_{22}}{\sqrt{\sigma_{21}^2 + \sigma_{22}^2}}\end{array} \right)\] \[\left( \begin{array} {ccc} Y_1 \\ Y_2 \end{array} \right)\]

where Y1 and Y2 are independent processes.

the correlation of W1 and W2 was given as follows:

\rho = \frac{\sigma_{11}\sigma_{21} + \sigma_{12}\sigma_{22}}{\sqrt{\sigma_{11}^2 + \sigma_{12}^2}\sqrt{\sigma_{21}^2 + \sigma_{22}^2}}

Now what the problem asks is that I be able to show the following matrix equation to be true:

\[\left( \begin{array} {ccc} W_1 \\ W_2 \end{array} \right)\] = <br /> \[\left( \begin{array} {ccc} 1 &amp; 0 \\ \rho &amp; \sqrt{1 - \rho^2} \end{array} \right)\] \[\left( \begin{array} {ccc} Z_1 \\ Z_2 \end{array} \right)\]

where Z1 and Z2 are independent
and rho is the correlation of W1 and W2.

My question is:
can I just let
\sigma_{11} = 1
\sigma_{12} = 0

and just let
Y1 = Z1
Y2 = Z2?

cause if I did so, then the matrix equation that I want to prove is satisfied.
that is, the following are now true:
\rho = \frac{\sigma_{21}}{\sqrt{\sigma_{21}^2 + \sigma_{22}^2}}
\sqrt{1 - \rho^2} = \frac{\sigma_{22}}{\sqrt{\sigma_{21}^2 + \sigma_{22}^2}}

Is this a valid way of proving?

or should I have to find a matrix linear transformation to transfrom the first equation that I got into the required equation? cause if that's the way that it shouldbe done, then I'm not sure how to proceed about it.

thanks for the help.
 
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island-boy said:
after a series of computations, I was able to get the following matrix equation from the given of a problem:

\[\left( \begin{array} {ccc} W_1 \\ W_2 \end{array} \right)\] = <br /> \[\left( \begin{array} {ccc} \frac{\sigma_{11}}{\sqrt{\sigma_{11}^2 + \sigma_{12}^2}} &amp; \frac{\sigma_{12}}{\sqrt{\sigma_{11}^2 + \sigma_{12}^2}} \\ \frac{\sigma_{21}}{\sqrt{\sigma_{21}^2 + \sigma_{22}^2}} &amp; \frac{\sigma_{22}}{\sqrt{\sigma_{21}^2 + \sigma_{22}^2}}\end{array} \right)\] \[\left( \begin{array} {ccc} Y_1 \\ Y_2 \end{array} \right)\]
Let W denote the left side of this equation, let S denote the 2x2 matrix on the right side, and let Y denote what you think it denotes.
\[\left( \begin{array} {ccc} W_1 \\ W_2 \end{array} \right)\] = <br /> \[\left( \begin{array} {ccc} 1 &amp; 0 \\ \rho &amp; \sqrt{1 - \rho^2} \end{array} \right)\] \[\left( \begin{array} {ccc} Z_1 \\ Z_2 \end{array} \right)\]

where Z1 and Z2 are independent
and rho is the correlation of W1 and W2.
Let R denote the 2x2 matrix on the right side of this equation, and let Z denote what you think it does.

So you have W = SY and you want to show that if W = RZ, then the entries of Z are independent. You can't go setting \sigma _{ij} and Zi to whatever you like. What kind of question would that be? Anyways, if you want to get W = RZ, then it's equivalent to get SY = RZ. In order to get this, what must Z be? Clearly, Z = R-1SY. So look at R-1SY, and show it's entires to be independent. Use the fact that the entries of Y are independent, and that the entries of W have correlation \rho.
 
hi thanks for replying

and you want to show that if W = RZ, then the entries of Z are independent.

actually, what I need to show is that I can write W in the form RZ where Z are independent.
that is, defining W, S, Y, R, and Z below, and given W = SY where Y are independent, I must show that I can write W as W = RZ where Z are independent.

does what you have written still apply?
thanks again.
 
Yes. ,
 
hi AKG,

after thinking it throrughly, I think I understand what you meant.
I only need to solve for Z = R^{-1}SY
and then I show the elements of Z are independent of each other (possibly by showing that their covariance is 0)

Thanks for you help! cheers!
 

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