Valve Spring Dynamics on 4-Stroke Engines

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the dynamics of valve springs in 4-stroke engines, particularly focusing on the phenomenon of valve bounce and the implications of engine speed on valve performance. Participants explore the relationship between engine RPM, natural frequency of valve springs, and the operational limits of engine components.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the natural frequency of a valve spring to be 5500 rev/min and questions whether valve bounce occurs at higher engine speeds, specifically at 8000 rpm.
  • Another participant raises a question about the correlation between torsional stress and engine speed, particularly at high RPMs.
  • A third participant suggests that the red line at 6500 rpm may be related to factors other than valve float, implying that there could be multiple reasons for this limit.
  • Another participant warns that higher RPMs increase stress and heat on valve springs and valves, noting that components are designed to withstand specific forces and may fail if these limits are exceeded.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the causes and implications of engine speed on valve performance, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus on the necessity of safety factors or the reasons for red line limits.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions made about valve dynamics, the definitions of stress and strain in this context, and the specific operational limits of engine components.

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Hi guys, i am doing some calculations on the valve spring of a 4 stroke, 4 cylinder motor vehicle engine.

To my understanding, valve bounce will occur once the valve spring is operated at a speed over their natural frequency (which i calculated to be 5500 rev/min). If i were to push the engine speed to 8000 rpm, does it mean that the valve spring won't 'bounce' since the camshaft only runs at half the engine speed? But if that was the case, why do most vehicle have red lines at 6500rpm on the rev counter? Is it really necessary to have such large safety factor?

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But if the torsonial stress that doesn't bypass the force required to sustain the engine running at that speed, what is the correlation between engine speed (esp at high values of 8000rpm) to the average rev?
 
"... why do most vehicle have red lines at 6500rpm on the rev counter? Is it really necessary to have such large safety factor?"

Maybe it's for a different reason than the valves "floating".
 
I think you are putting more stress(and heat of course) on the valve springs/valves...with more rpm...so keep that in mind. They are designed and made from material which will only withstand a certain force/stress/strain. This is why you will usually break a spring, or drop a valve
 

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