Variation of gravitational force with calculus

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The discussion revolves around the variation of gravitational force as described by Newton's law of gravitation, particularly focusing on the computation of instantaneous acceleration and orbital velocity for two objects in a circular orbit. The scope includes theoretical aspects of gravitational interactions and mathematical reasoning using calculus and physics principles.

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  • One participant states that gravitational force increases as the distance between two bodies decreases, leading to stronger gravitational interactions as they move closer.
  • Another participant suggests that instantaneous acceleration can be found using Newton's second law without the need for calculus.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of knowing the type of orbit (circular vs. elliptical) to compute the required orbital velocity, with a note that circular orbits have a single velocity dependent on the distance from the mass being orbited.
  • One participant proposes that in a circular orbit, the force and acceleration remain constant, as the distance does not change.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of specifying which object's acceleration is being calculated and suggests equating gravitational force to centripetal acceleration to find orbital velocity.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of calculus for finding instantaneous acceleration, with some asserting it can be done using basic principles. There is also a lack of consensus on the implications of circular versus elliptical orbits regarding velocity calculations.

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Participants reference the need for approximations, such as treating one mass as stationary, and highlight the importance of understanding the conditions of the orbit when discussing gravitational interactions.

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Hi all,

This is Newton's universal law of gravitation:

F = GMm/r2, where r is the distance between the centre of the two bodies.

Therefore, considering two objects in mutual gravitational acceleration, with only linear motion and acceleration, they shall be moving in closer and closer. Since the force is inversely proportional to the distance between the two bodies centre, it will increase as r decreases. Therefore as they move gravitational force gets stronger and stronger.

The question is, how to compute the instantaneous acceleration in those conditions using calculus?

Also, considering the two objects again, how would I compute the velocity needed for mass m to enter in orbit around mass M?

Thanks for any answers
 
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The instantaneous acceleration is pretty easy to find simply by applying Newton's second law. What's Newton's second law tell you? This should not require any calculus.

Computing the orbital velocity requires knowledge of which orbit you are talking about. Different orbits require different velocities.

In the case of elliptical orbits, there is no 1 velocity that is the "orbit velocity" because by Kepler's 2nd law, the orbiting object moves fastest when it is closest to the gravitating body.

Circular orbits have 1 velocity, and they depend on the distance R from which you are orbiting. The problem is easier still when one object (say M) is much more massive than the other object so we can make an approximation that M just stays stationary (just an approximation).

Which conditions are you considering?
 
So my acceleration at any point would be the magnitude of the force at the distance r divided by the mass of object 2?
The conditions I am considering are a circular orbit of distance r, where mass M around which mass m orbits can be approximated to remain stationary.

Thanks.
 
I believe in that case you simply find the magnitude of the force and calculate the acceleration. Since you have a circular orbit, the distance between the two objects will not change and you will have no variation in either the force or the acceleration.
 
Albertrichardf said:
So my acceleration at any point would be the magnitude of the force at the distance r divided by the mass of object 2?
The conditions I am considering are a circular orbit of distance r, where mass M around which mass m orbits can be approximated to remain stationary.

Thanks.

You should be careful to specify which object you are talking about. The acceleration of object 2 will be the force you wrote down divided by the mass of object 2.

For a circular orbit, you can use the above fact AND the fact that for circular motion the centripetal acceleration is v^2/r. Using these two facts, you can set the two accelerations equal to each other and solve for the velocity. This should also only require algebra. Although deriving a=v^2/r takes a little bit of vector manipulation. You should be able to find that in any introductory physics textbook.
 
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