Variation of Lagrange Density under field transformation

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The discussion revolves around the variation of a Lagrangian with two coupled fields under a specific field transformation. The original poster presents a Lagrangian that includes kinetic and potential terms for the fields, along with a coupling term. They seek to understand how to compute the variation of the Lagrangian when the fields are transformed.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to substitute the transformed fields into the Lagrangian but is uncertain about how to handle the derivatives of the fields after transformation. They question whether to include terms of higher order in the small parameter epsilon.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided guidance on substituting the transformed fields into the Lagrangian and have confirmed that terms of order epsilon squared can be omitted. The original poster has made progress in rewriting the Lagrangian but is still seeking clarity on specific calculations.

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The original poster expresses a lack of confidence in their understanding of the topic, indicating they are relatively new to the subject matter. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the transformation is applied correctly without losing significant terms.

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Homework Statement


Hey guys!

So I have a Lagrangian with two coupled fields like so:

\mathcal{L} = \frac{1}{2}(\partial_{\mu}\phi_{1})(\partial^{\mu}\phi_{1}) +\frac{1}{2}(\partial_{\mu}\phi_{2})(\partial^{\mu}\phi_{2})-\frac{m_{1}^{2}}{2}(\phi_{1}\phi_{1})-\frac{m_{2}^{2}}{2}(\phi_{2}\phi_{2})-g(\phi_{1}\phi_{2})^2

where g is a coupling constant.

So I have to find the variation of this lagrangian under the transformation

\delta\phi_{1}=\epsilon\phi_{2}, \delta\phi_{2}=-\epsilon\phi_{1}

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The Attempt at a Solution


I don't know what to do - do I just plug these into the Lagrangian? and if I do, how do I compute the new \partial_{\mu}\phi?

Thanks a lot guys!
 
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You should replace \phi_i with \phi_i+\delta \phi_i in the Lagrangian.
 
Okay so i plugged them in but I'm still a bit stuck.

For example consider this term:
\frac{1}{2}(\partial_{\mu}(\phi_{1}+\epsilon\phi_{2}))

How do I compute this? (yes I am a noob with this stuff) Would it be equal to \frac{1}{2}(\partial_{\mu}\phi_{1}+\epsilon\partial_{\mu}\phi_{2})?

Also do I omit terms of order \epsilon^{2}?

Thanks...
 
Dixanadu said:
Would it be equal to 12(∂μϕ1+ϵμϕ2)\frac{1}{2}(\partial_{\mu}\phi_{1}+\epsilon\partial_{\mu}\phi_{2})?
Yes.
Dixanadu said:
Also do I omit terms of order ϵ2\epsilon^{2}?
Yes.
 
So i went through it all and here's where I am:

\begin{split}\mathcal{L}=\frac{1}{2}[(\partial_{\mu}\phi_{1})(\partial^{\mu}\phi_{1})] +\frac{1}{2}[(\partial_{\mu}\phi_{2})(\partial^{\mu}\phi_{2})] \\<br /> -\frac{m_{1}^{2}}{2}(\phi_{1}^{2}+2\epsilon\phi_{1}\phi_{2}) -\frac{m_{2}^{2}}{2}(\phi_{2}^{2}-2\epsilon\phi_{1}\phi_{2}) -g(\phi_{1}\phi_{2}-\epsilon\phi_{1}^{2}+\epsilon\phi_{2}^{2})<br /> \end{split}

Is this looking okay...?

Thanks so much...
 
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I get the following:
<br /> \mathcal{L}&#039;=\frac{1}{2} \partial_{\mu} \phi_1 \partial^{\mu} \phi_1+\frac{1}{2} \partial_{\mu} \phi_2 \partial^{\mu} \phi_2-\frac{1}{2}m_1^2(\phi_1+2\epsilon \phi_2)\phi_1-\frac{1}{2}m_2^2(\phi_2-2\epsilon \phi_1)\phi_2-g[\phi_1\phi_2-2\epsilon(\phi_1^2-\phi_2^2)]\phi_1\phi_2<br />
 

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