Variational principle & lorentz force law

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The discussion revolves around deriving the Lorentz force law from a given variational principle involving an action integral. The subject area includes concepts from classical mechanics and electromagnetism, particularly focusing on the relationship between the variational principle and the resulting equations of motion.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the variation of the action integral and its implications for deriving the force equation. There are discussions about the application of integration by parts and the product rule, as well as the significance of the signature convention in the Minkowski metric. Questions arise regarding the presence of a minus sign in the final expression and how it relates to the raising and lowering of indices.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants examining the derivation steps and questioning the assumptions made regarding the metric signature. Some guidance has been offered regarding the implications of the signature on the terms in the action, but no consensus has been reached on the source of the discrepancy in signs.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential influence of the metric signature on the formulation of the action principle and the resulting equations. There is also mention of specific references, such as Landau and Lifgarbagez, which may provide alternative formulations of the action.

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Homework Statement


Show that the Lorentz force law follows from the following variational principle:
[tex]S=\frac{m}{2}\int\eta_{\mu\nu}u^\mu u^\nu ds-q\int A_\mu u^\mu ds[/tex]

Homework Equations


Definition of Field Strength Tensor
Integration by Parts
Chain Rule & Product Rule for Derivatives

The Attempt at a Solution


In order to find the force equation, we need to vary the action and find when [itex]\delta S=0[/itex].

So, we begin by varying the action integral,
[tex]\delta S=\frac{m}{2}\int\eta_{\mu\nu}\delta(u^\mu u^\nu)ds-q\int\delta(A_\mu u^\mu)ds[/tex]

Then apply product rule to expand all the terms,
[tex]\delta S=m\int\eta_{\mu\nu}u^\nu\frac{d(\delta x^\mu)}{ds}ds-q\int\left(\partial_\nu A_\mu u^\mu\delta x^\nu+A_\mu\frac{d(\delta x^\mu)}{ds}\right)ds[/tex]

Simplified and renamed indices in the second term,
[tex]\delta S=m\int u_\mu\frac{d(\delta x^\mu)}{ds}ds-q\int\left(\partial_\mu A_\nu u^\nu\delta x^\mu+A_\mu\frac{d(\delta x^\mu)}{ds}\right)ds[/tex]

Reverse integration by parts to get the variation out of the derivatives,
[tex]\delta S=m\int\left(\frac{d}{ds}\left(u_\mu\delta x^\mu\right)-\frac{du_\mu}{ds}\delta x^\mu\right)ds-q\int\left(\partial_\mu A_\nu u^\nu\delta x^\mu+\frac{d}{ds}\left( A_\mu\delta x^\mu\right)-\frac{dA_\mu}{ds}\delta x^\mu\right)ds[/tex]

Grouping like terms we have,
[tex]\delta S=\int\left(\frac{d}{ds}\left(mu_\mu\delta x^\mu-qA_\mu\delta x^\mu\right)\right)ds+\int \left( q\left(\frac{dA_\mu}{ds}\delta x^\mu-\partial_\mu A_\nu u^\nu\delta x^\mu\right)-m\frac{du_\mu}{ds}\delta x^\mu\right)ds[/tex]

After integration, the first term should be zero since the variations must vanish at the endpoints. Also, using the chain rule on the dA/ds derivative gives me
[tex]\delta S=\int \left( q\left(\partial_\nu A_\mu u^\nu-\partial_\mu A_\nu u^\nu\right)-m\frac{du_\mu}{ds}\right)\delta x^\mu ds[/tex]

Rearranged terms to simplify further,
[tex]\delta S=\int \left( -q\left(\partial_\mu A_\nu-\partial_\nu A_\mu\right)u^\nu -m\frac{du_\mu}{ds}\right)\delta x^\mu ds[/tex]

Then I use the definition of the field strength tensor to get,
[tex]\delta S=\int \left( -qF_{\mu\nu}u^\nu -m\frac{du_\mu}{ds}\right)\delta x^\mu ds[/tex]

Then [itex]\delta S=0[/itex] for any arbitrary variation [itex]\delta x^\mu[/itex] only if the integrand itself is zero, so
[tex]qF_{\mu\nu}u^\nu+m\frac{du_\mu}{ds}=0[/tex]

Rearranging the expression gives
[tex]\frac{du_\mu}{ds}=-\frac{q}{m}F_{\mu\nu}u^\nu[/tex]

This is the correct form for the Lorentz force law, however I have an additional minus sign. It's probably a trivial problem, but I've double checked all the work several times and I can't figure out where it's coming from.
 
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Perhaps the problem is this:

On the right hand side you have [tex]u^\nu[/tex]
On the left hand side [tex]u_\mu[/tex]

The relation between the two is given by [tex]\eta_{\mu\nu}[/tex] and that depends on your signature convention. This signature is expressed in the sign of the first term of your action principle.
 
I checked my notes and it's supposed to come out to
[tex]\frac{du_\mu}{ds}=\frac{q}{m}F_{\mu\nu}u^\nu[/tex]

We've been using the convention that the spatial terms have the minus signs in the Minkowski metric (+---). In an earlier step I used [itex]u_\mu=\eta_{\mu\nu}u^\nu[/itex] to get the lower mu index in the first term with the mass. I can't find anything that says how the signature affects the process of raising/lowering indices though.
 
Question is why do you have minus sign in front of the second (or plus in front of the first) term in:

[tex] S=\frac{m}{2}\int\eta_{\mu\nu}u^\mu u^\nu ds-q\int A_\mu u^\mu ds[/tex]

Landau and Lifgarbagez has this action

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The first term is [tex]\sqrt{\eta_{\mu\nu}u^{\mu}u^{\nu}}\,ds[/tex] but it should not matter.
 
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