Various objects under extreme g forces

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The discussion revolves around the effects of extreme g forces on various objects, exploring how these objects might be destroyed or altered when subjected to such conditions. Participants consider the physical properties of different materials and the implications of extreme gravitational forces, with a focus on theoretical and conceptual aspects rather than experimental validation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the appearance and destruction of six specific objects under extreme g forces, asking for opinions on when they would start to change and how they would look when obliterated.
  • Another participant humorously questions the feasibility of determining the answers to the original inquiry.
  • Some participants suggest that practical experience, such as stepping on certain objects, could provide insight into their behavior under pressure, noting that the orientation of force application is significant for the aluminum can.
  • Concerns are raised about the brittleness of materials like chrome steel and diamond, with expectations that they would shatter under extreme conditions.
  • Discussion about the criteria for "completely obliterated" arises, with suggestions that it may mean becoming unrecognizable as the original object.
  • One participant elaborates that the configuration of the original item may influence its destruction, and that extreme gravity might leave identifiable imprints rather than complete obliteration.
  • Another participant notes that high acceleration could lead to high velocities, potentially causing partial melting at contact points with a surface.
  • Clarification is sought regarding the interpretation of the beverage can's response to g forces, with acknowledgment that orientation and atmospheric conditions may affect outcomes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the original question, leading to multiple competing views on the criteria for destruction and the effects of g forces on different materials. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on specific outcomes or definitions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in defining terms like "completely obliterated" and the dependence on material properties and configurations. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the conditions under which the objects are tested, such as the orientation of forces and the presence of atmospheric pressure.

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I have a friend doing an animation of 6 objects under extreme g force. Can anyone offer an opinion on how these objects would look when destroyed by extreme g forces standing on a flat indistructable surface . When will they start to change and be completely obliterated , how would it look? how much g would it take to obliterate these objects?
1. A Gummy Bear
2. An empty aluminum beverage can
3. A log of wood on its side
4. A Chrome steel sphere (3 cm diameter)
5. A diamond cube 5 cm width
6. A (hypothetical) Graphene cylinder 5cm diameter, could this last item exist?
 
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windy miller said:
1. A Gummy Bear
2. An empty aluminum beverage can
Well, those at least you can get a good idea by stepping on them. The beverage can collapse depends on force orientation relative to the cylindrical axis.
windy miller said:
3. A log of wood on its side
Again, stepping on some Balsa wood might give some insight. Probably dependent on grain orientation.
windy miller said:
4. A Chrome steel sphere (3 cm diameter)
5. A diamond cube 5 cm width
Those are brittle so I would expect them to shatter, Diamonds certainly do!
windy miller said:
6. A (hypothetical) Graphene cylinder 5cm diameter, could this last item exist?
Never played with the stuff, so I'll leave hypotheses to others.

Cheers,
Tom

p.s. you might get more ideas in the "Science Fiction and Fantasy" forum here.
 
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thanks
 
windy miller said:
completely obliterated

For the sake of discussion, what would be your criteria for "completely obliterated"?
 
JBA said:
For the sake of discussion, what would be your criteria for "completely obliterated"?
Im going to guess it means completely unrecognisable as the object it once was.
 
@windy miller, You are the OP so it would seem that you are the one to determine the criteria; although, I admit that is a difficult task; and, is why I posted my inquiry after pondering the issue for a while. Based upon your above criteria, it probably depends very much upon the configuration of the original item.
An item or structure subjected to extreme gravity might leave an identifiable imprint of its horizontal configuration but leave no hint of its overall design or purpose. Heat and other factors might reduce it to a molecular level but, it doesn't appear to me that intense one uniform vertical crushing alone could achieve that.
The crushing effects of overburden gravitational crushing to even almost microscopic thinness is seen in recovered samples of deep Earth mineral strati, but the mineral and it original constituents are still identifiable.
In the case of the crushing of an item by the effects of extreme gravity on the item due to the gravitational gradient across the object's vertical dimension alone, as that gradient reduces so does the gravitational force and the required energy (m*g*h) to resist it.
 
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A sufficiently high acceleration would result in a very high velocity. When that velocity exceeds the speed of sound in the material the structure will be lost and partial melting will take place where the object contacts the plate.
 
Tom.G said:
The beverage can collapse depends on force orientation relative to the cylindrical axis.
That depends on how you interpret the question. I interpreted it (perhaps incorrectly) as it being a beverage can that has been opened and emptied and left open, it which case it does not depend on orientation since everything would be pushing against a thin wall in all directions.

The OP's question is too vague.

EDIT: oh, wait ... my answer was assuming atmospheric pressure, not G force. With G force it would depend on the orientation of the application of the G force.
 

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