VdP term in definition of constant volume specific heat

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The discussion centers on the derivation of the relationship between heat transfer and internal energy at constant volume, specifically addressing the equation ∂q = du and its implications for constant volume specific heat (Cv). The participant questions the neglect of the vdP term in the enthalpy definition, which is expressed as ∆U + P∂V + V∂P. The confusion arises from the distinction between constant pressure and constant volume conditions, leading to the assertion that Cv should be defined as ∆U/dT rather than including the V∂P term. This clarification is essential for understanding thermodynamic principles in relation to heat transfer.

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Homework Statement


I know that for constant volume ∂q=du and so du=Cv.dT
However i don't understand how did we get to ∂q=du by neglecting the vdP term of enthalpy
What I am trying to say is, is enthalpy this ∆U+P∂V+V∂P or this ∆U+P∂V? I don't understand since the definition of enthalpy is derived out of a constant pressure volume change
And why snt specific heat at constant volume Cv=∆U+V∂P/dT instead of Cv=∆U/dT?

Thank you in advance for your answers

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From what I see:
∂Qnet,in=∆U+∂Wnet,out
∂Qnet,in=∆U+P∂V+V∂P

C=∂Qnet,in/dT

For constant pressure:
Cp=∆U+P∂V/dT assuming ∆U+P∂V is enthalpy then ∆H=Cp.∆P

For constant volume:
Cv=∆U+V∂P/dT but all the books say it actually is just ∆U/dT
where did the VdP term go? if we add heat to a fixed volume won't its pressure increase and so VdP would be relevant?
 
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