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The discussion revolves around a problem in vector analysis and differential calculus, specifically concerning the height of a hill described by a function of two variables, h(x,y). Participants are tasked with determining the location of the hill's peak and its height based on the given mathematical expression.

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  • Participants explore the calculation of partial derivatives with respect to x and y to find critical points. There are attempts to derive equations for the gradients and questions about the correctness of the initial calculations.

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Some participants have pointed out errors in the derivative calculations and suggested revisiting the definitions of partial derivatives. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of these corrections for finding the peak of the hill and its height.

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Participants note confusion regarding the categorization of the problem under "physics" rather than "mathematics," with references to its origin in an Electrodynamics textbook.

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Vector Analysis:Differential Calculus

Homework Statement



The height of a certain hill(in feet) is given by

h(x,y)=10(2xy-3x^2-4y^2-18x+28y+12)

where y is the distance (in miles) north, x the distance east of South Hadley

a)Where is the top of the hill located

b) How high is the hill?

Homework Equations



grad T=dT/dx xhat+dT/dy yhat+ dT/dz zhat

The Attempt at a Solution



a) I need to find the distance in the x direction , so I would take the derivative of h(x,y) with respect to x

dh/dx=20*x-12=0=> x=3/5 feet

b) same algorithm, only I am now ask to calculate how high the hill is and so I would take the derivative of h(x,y) with respect to y:

dh/dy=y=3*x+9=3*(.6)+9=10.8 feet

or maybe I should calculate h(x,y) in order to determine the height of the hill. Therefore , I'd plugged x and y into h(x,y) right?
 
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Hi Benzoate! :smile:

(have a curly d: ∂ :smile:)
Benzoate said:
The height of a certain hill(in feet) is given by

h(x,y)=10(2xy-3x^2-4y^2-18x+28y+12)

a) I need to find the distance in the x direction , so I would take the derivative of h(x,y) with respect to x

dh/dx=20*x-12=0=> x=3/5 feet

b) same algorithm, only I am now ask to calculate how high the hill is and so I would take the derivative of h(x,y) with respect to y:

dh/dy=y=3*x+9=3*(.6)+9=10.8 feet

Nooo … :cry:

Your ∂h/∂x and ∂h/∂x are completely wrong …

for example, ∂h/∂x should start with 20*y, not 20*x

and what happened to all the other terms (and all the other 10s)?

You need to go back to your book and look again at how to do partial derivatives … :smile:
 


Benzoate said:

Homework Statement



The height of a certain hill(in feet) is given by

h(x,y)=10(2xy-3x^2-4y^2-18x+28y+12)

where y is the distance (in miles) north, x the distance east of South Hadley

a)Where is the top of the hill located

b) How high is the hill?




Homework Equations



grad T=dT/dx xhat+dT/dy yhat+ dT/dz zhat

The Attempt at a Solution



a) I need to find the distance in the x direction , so I would take the derivative of h(x,y) with respect to x

dh/dx=20*x-12=0=> x=3/5 feet

b) same algorithm, only I am now ask to calculate how high the hill is and so I would take the derivative of h(x,y) with respect to y:

dh/dy=y=3*x+9=3*(.6)+9=10.8 feet

or maybe I should calculate h(x,y) in order to determine the height of the hill. Therefore , I'd plugged x and y into h(x,y) right?

wow I messed up big time with calculating my partial derivatives.

Anyway, dh/dx= 20y-90x-180= and dh/dy= 20x-80y+280 =0. once I calculate my values for x and y , I would be able to calculate the height which is h(x,y), correct?
 
Benzoate said:
Anyway, dh/dx= 20y-90x-180= and dh/dy= 20x-80y+280 =0.

(what happened to that ∂ I gave you? :smile:)

erm … 90x is wrong :rolleyes:

and the equations would be a lot more manageable if you'd divided them by 20 :wink:
once I calculate my values for x and y , I would be able to calculate the height which is h(x,y), correct?

That's right! :smile:
 


Why is this listed under "physics" rather than "mathematics"?
 


HallsofIvy said:
Why is this listed under "physics" rather than "mathematics"?

well because the problem came from my intro to Electrodynamics textbook
 
it's field theory …

Benzoate said:
well because the problem came from my intro to Electrodynamics textbook
Benzoate said:
The height of a certain hill …​

:biggrin: The hill was part of a field! :biggrin:
 

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