Vector Calculus - Having trouble finding a Line

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a line that passes through a specific point and is perpendicular to a given line in three-dimensional space. Participants explore methods to derive the equations governing this relationship, including the use of direction vectors and systems of equations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant identifies the direction vector of the given line and notes that the dot product of the direction vectors of the two lines must equal zero for them to be perpendicular.
  • Another participant proposes a system of equations to define the new line, including conditions for perpendicularity and normalization of the direction vector.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the origin of one of the equations in the proposed system and seeks clarification.
  • Another participant suggests a method for solving the system of equations, emphasizing the need to eliminate variables to simplify the problem.
  • A later reply mentions an alternative approach suggested by a teaching assistant, which involves minimizing the distance between the point and the line, noting a preference for the more challenging method discussed in the thread.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for a system of equations to solve the problem, but there are differing opinions on the methods to approach the solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the lines meeting at a point and the normalization condition for the direction vector, which may not be universally applicable without further context.

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I know this has been posted before, and I've read the post concerning the same problem and I've googled this a million times, but i can't seem to get it. So here's the problem:

Given a Point and a Line, find the Line that passes through the point (3,1,-2) and is perpendicular to the line x=-1+t, y=-2+t, z=-1+t.

Okay, so i found the direction vector of the given line (which i'll call l) to be (1,1,1).
I know that a vector lying on l and a vector lying on the line i need to find (which i'll call l'), when you apply the dot product to those 2 vectors it must equal 0 in order for them to be perpendicular.

I know i have to use orthagonal projection, well i think i need to. So far i took the point given (which i called Q) and a point on the line given (which i called P) to find the vector QP, which (in my case) is (4,3,-1).

From here I'm lost with what to do, I've been sitting here racking my brain trying different things but i just can't seem to figure out how to find the line. I'm not asking for a solution but a *simple* set of steps or something like that to follow would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
 
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Try the following system:
given line L=(-1,-2,-1)+(1,1,1)t
other line K=(3,1,-2)+(a,b,c)s

Known equations:
a+b+c=0 (perpendicular)
a^2+b^2+c^2=1 (normalization, since an arbitrary multiple is allowed)
To complete the problem definition, we need to assume K and L must meet at some point, otherwise, K could be any line in a plane passing through (3,1,-2) and perpendicular to L. This then gives us 3 more equations K(s)=L(t).

Solve the system (5 equations - 4 linear and 1 quadratic) for 5 unknowns (a,b,c,s,t).

Good luck!
 
Thanks! I think i get it now and i'll try it in a minute i just have one question. What do you mean by the second step of your "Known Equations" section? I don't see where this one equation is coming from, but i get the rest. Thanks so much!
 
Also, i don't know where to begin solving this system of equations :(
 
a^2+b^2+c^2=1 is thrown in because (a,b,c) can be replaced by (fa,fb,fc), where f is arbitrary. Otherwise the whole system floats.

As far as solving the system, I suggest solving the four linear equations to get rid of s and t and either a,b, or c. Since the relationships among a,b, and c will be linear, these can be inserted into the normalization equation to get a quadratic in one remaining variable.
 
Thanks so much for the help! I figured it out, our TA did it differently but i prefer the approach suggested - it's more difficult but more concrete. Our TA suggested minimizing the distance equation between the point and the line, which is also effective, i thought of doing that but i liked the more difficult approach suggested. Thanks again!
 

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