Vector Diagram of Impulse: Is My Drawing Correct?

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The discussion centers on the correct vector diagram representation of impulse during a collision between two objects, specifically mass m1 with initial velocity v1 colliding with mass m2. Participants clarify that the impulse Δp is equal and opposite for both masses, leading to the conclusion that the correct diagram must represent the vector sum of m1v1 and the impulse Δp to yield the final momentum p1'. The ambiguity regarding which mass's impulse is being referenced is acknowledged, emphasizing the importance of correctly identifying the initial and final momenta in vector subtraction problems.

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Homework Statement
Object ##m_1## moves with velocity ##v_1## collides with object ##m_2## and has final velocity of ##v_{1}^{'}##. Which vector diagram is correct?
Relevant Equations
I = Δp
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I think all the options are wrong. Since I = Δp = m1v1' - m1v1, I draw it like this:

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Is my drawing wrong?

Thanks
 
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Your diagram is not different from one of the 5 choices (which one?) in the same manner that ##A - B## is not different from ##A + (-B).##
 
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At times, I think it is better to think of ##\Delta \vec p=\vec p_f - \vec p_i##
implicitly but "physically"
as what has to be added to ##\vec p_i## to get ##\vec p_f##: $$ \vec p_i + \Delta \vec p= \vec p_f$$
 
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Thank you very much kuruman and robphy
 
From conservation of momentum, I would be looking for the diagram in which the vector representing ##m_1v_1## is the vector sum of the other two.
 
songoku said:
Homework Statement:: Object ##m_1## moves with velocity ##v_1## collides with object ##m_2## and has final velocity of ##v_{1}^{'}##. Which vector diagram is correct?
Relevant Equations:: I = Δp
The question here is which ##\vec{\Delta p}## ? ##\vec{\Delta p}## experienced by ##m_2## or ##\vec{\Delta p}## experienced by ##m_1## ? Because they are equal and opposite.

Edited to show ##\vec{\Delta p}## as a vector.
 
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neilparker62 said:
The question here is which ##\Delta p## ? ##\Delta p## experienced by ##m_2## or ##\Delta p## experienced by ##m_1## ? Because they are equal and opposite.
I too considered this ambiguity. I decided that it is the Δp of the object whose initial and final momenta are shown because the initial and final momenta of the target mass could be anything. I classified this as a vector subtraction problem.
 
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Then the correct option is the one showing ##\vec{p_1} + \vec{\Delta p} = \vec{p_1}'## with ##\vec{\Delta p}## being the collision impulse experienced by mass ##m_1##. In which case I stand corrected in respect of post #5 in which I assumed ##\vec{\Delta p}## is the collision impulse experienced by (also) assumed stationary object ##m_2##. Tricky!
 
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