Vector Diagram of Impulse: Is My Drawing Correct?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of a vector diagram related to impulse and momentum in a collision scenario involving two objects, m1 and m2. Participants are examining the correct representation of the impulse experienced by these objects and how it relates to their momenta before and after the collision.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the correct representation of impulse as a vector, questioning which object's momentum change should be depicted. There is discussion about the relationship between initial and final momenta and how to visualize these in a vector diagram.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the ambiguity of which impulse vector to represent, suggesting that the focus should be on the object whose momenta are shown. Others have acknowledged corrections to their initial assumptions regarding the impulse experienced by each object.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing debate about the equal and opposite nature of the impulses experienced by the two objects involved in the collision, which adds complexity to the interpretation of the vector diagram.

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Homework Statement
Object ##m_1## moves with velocity ##v_1## collides with object ##m_2## and has final velocity of ##v_{1}^{'}##. Which vector diagram is correct?
Relevant Equations
I = Δp
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I think all the options are wrong. Since I = Δp = m1v1' - m1v1, I draw it like this:

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Is my drawing wrong?

Thanks
 
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Your diagram is not different from one of the 5 choices (which one?) in the same manner that ##A - B## is not different from ##A + (-B).##
 
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At times, I think it is better to think of ##\Delta \vec p=\vec p_f - \vec p_i##
implicitly but "physically"
as what has to be added to ##\vec p_i## to get ##\vec p_f##: $$ \vec p_i + \Delta \vec p= \vec p_f$$
 
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Thank you very much kuruman and robphy
 
From conservation of momentum, I would be looking for the diagram in which the vector representing ##m_1v_1## is the vector sum of the other two.
 
songoku said:
Homework Statement:: Object ##m_1## moves with velocity ##v_1## collides with object ##m_2## and has final velocity of ##v_{1}^{'}##. Which vector diagram is correct?
Relevant Equations:: I = Δp
The question here is which ##\vec{\Delta p}## ? ##\vec{\Delta p}## experienced by ##m_2## or ##\vec{\Delta p}## experienced by ##m_1## ? Because they are equal and opposite.

Edited to show ##\vec{\Delta p}## as a vector.
 
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neilparker62 said:
The question here is which ##\Delta p## ? ##\Delta p## experienced by ##m_2## or ##\Delta p## experienced by ##m_1## ? Because they are equal and opposite.
I too considered this ambiguity. I decided that it is the Δp of the object whose initial and final momenta are shown because the initial and final momenta of the target mass could be anything. I classified this as a vector subtraction problem.
 
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Then the correct option is the one showing ##\vec{p_1} + \vec{\Delta p} = \vec{p_1}'## with ##\vec{\Delta p}## being the collision impulse experienced by mass ##m_1##. In which case I stand corrected in respect of post #5 in which I assumed ##\vec{\Delta p}## is the collision impulse experienced by (also) assumed stationary object ##m_2##. Tricky!
 
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