What Defines a Scalar Field vs a Vector Field?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the definitions and distinctions between scalar fields and vector fields, particularly in the context of antenna theory and radiation fields. Participants explore examples such as temperature distribution in a pan and isotropic radiation fields, questioning how these examples fit the definitions of scalar and vector fields.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scalar field using the example of temperature in a pan, noting that it does not have a direction.
  • Another participant questions how an isotropic radiation field, which decreases in intensity radially, can be considered a scalar field rather than a vector field.
  • There is a suggestion that if a field is described by a single number (intensity), it qualifies as a scalar field, while a vector field would require a vector at every point.
  • Some participants express confusion about the definitions and seek clarification on what specifically distinguishes scalar fields from vector fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether isotropic radiation fields should be classified as scalar or vector fields, indicating a lack of consensus on the definitions and examples provided.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention potential typos in their posts, which may affect clarity. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the concepts involved, particularly regarding the role of direction in defining scalar versus vector fields.

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I am looking at antenna theory and just came upon scalar fields. I found an site giving an example of a scalar field as measuring the temperature in a pan on a stove with a small layer of water. The temperature away from the heat source will be cooler than near it but it doesn't have a direction. That would be a scalar field. Then they said if you stir it it would have direction so be a scalar field.

I don't quite understand this which is why I also don't understand how an isotropic radiation field is a scalar field. If it decreases in intensity radially as your move away from the source, how is this not a vector field?
 
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Ntip said:
I am looking at antenna theory and just came upon scalar fields. I found an site giving an example of a scalar field as measuring the temperature in a pan on a stove with a small layer of water. The temperature away from the heat source will be cooler than near it but it doesn't have a direction. That would be a scalar field. Then they said if you stir it it would have direction so be a scalar field.

I don't quite understand this which is why I also don't understand how an isotropic radiation field is a scalar field. If it decreases in intensity radially as your move away from the source, how is this not a vector field?
I suspect there are a few typos in there.

A field is a quantity defined at every point in spacetime. If that quantity is a scalar, it's a scalar field; if that quantity is a vector, then it's a vector field.
 
PeroK said:
I suspect there are a few typos in there.

A field is a quantity defined at every point in spacetime. If that quantity is a scalar, it's a scalar field; if that quantity is a vector, then it's a vector field.
So since an isotropic radiation field is uniform in the radial direction you can ignore the direction and that makes it a scalar field? It seems like it should be a vector field to me because the direction is in the radial direction. I'll go back and read more on this but I just haven't wrapped my head around it yet.
 
Ntip said:
So since an isotropic radiation field is uniform in the radial direction you can ignore the direction and that makes it a scalar field? It seems like it should be a vector field to me because the direction is in the radial direction. I'll go back and read more on this but I just haven't wrapped my head around it yet.
If the radiation field is described by a single number (the intensity) at every point, then it's a scalar field. It's only a vector field if you need a vector at every point to describe the radiation field.
 
PeroK said:
I suspect there are a few typos in there.

A field is a quantity defined at every point in spacetime. If that quantity is a scalar, it's a scalar field; if that quantity is a vector, then it's a vector field.

That didnt answer the Q for the OP
"what makes it a scaler or vector field" :wink:
 

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